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From: Huang Shijie <shijie8@gmail.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"computersforpeace@gmail.com" <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	"b44548@freescale.com" <b44548@freescale.com>,
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	"dedekind1@gmail.com" <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-spi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-spi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Huang Shijie <b32955@freescale.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
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	"Gupta, Pekon" <pekon@ti.com>,
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	"lznuaa@gmail.com" <lznuaa@gmail.com>,
	"shawn.guo@linaro.org" <shawn.guo@linaro.org>,
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	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/8] Add the Quadspi driver for vf610-twr
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:12:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130913041208.GD3051@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1378999322.4210.95.camel@i7.infradead.org>

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 04:22:02PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 22:58 -0400, Huang Shijie wrote:
> > 
> > But for the quadspi driver, it does not need this information.
> > 
> > When the drivers knows that it is a Quad-read transaction, it will uses
> > the relative LUT sequence which uses the 4 lines.
> 
> But the controller driver shouldn't *have* that incestuous knowledge of
> the command set of the chip that happens to be connected to it.

I think the controller is designed for the NOR flash, yes, a little
strange.

> 
> That's what we're *complaining* about.
> 
> It *should* "need this information", and should just do what it's *told*
> to do by the slave device driver.
I can add the lines info in the m25p80_read() for the quad-read, but the lines
information is redundant to this Quadspi driver. 

I will send you the datasheet tomorrow.

Mark and you want to create the LUT instruction sequence at the runtime,
But there is some disadvantage if we do so:
  [1] low efficiency: 
      If you want to change the LUT regitster, you should unlock the LUT
      register, and change the LUT regitsters, and lock the LUT
      regitsters again.

  [2] we may can not create all the LUT instruction sequence at the
      runtime. For example, the buffer program(OPCODE_PP):
      the m25p80_write() may write 256bytes at a time, but the Quadspi
      controller only has a 64-byte TX-FIFO, so the controller should
      write a 64bytes firstly, then sends to the NOR with a read-status
      command. Do you want to create a read-status LUT instruction 
      sequence at run time? This is not good solution, we should
      pre-populate the read-status LUT information.

  [3] We may can not create the LUT instruction sequence at the runtime,
      since we can not get enough information from the spi_transfer{}.
      A whole LUT instruction sequence may needs the following info:
       1.) spi command.
       2.) lines info: single line, dual lines, quad lines.
       3.) Address width: 3 bytes address or 4 bytes address.
       4.) instruction type: Read or write or other. 
       5.) length info: how many bytes for this transaction .
       6.) dummy info: how many dummy is needed for this transaction.

      We can not get the dummy info from the spi_transfer{} 

      I may still miss something. But If we want to create a LUT
      instruction sequence at the runtime, we should _PARSE_ out the SPI
      NOR command firstly. If we parse out the SPI nor commands, there
      is no difference between the pre-populete-LUT and
      create-LUT-at-runtime.

thanks
Huang Shijie 

       

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: shijie8@gmail.com (Huang Shijie)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 0/8] Add the Quadspi driver for vf610-twr
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:12:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130913041208.GD3051@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1378999322.4210.95.camel@i7.infradead.org>

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 04:22:02PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 22:58 -0400, Huang Shijie wrote:
> > 
> > But for the quadspi driver, it does not need this information.
> > 
> > When the drivers knows that it is a Quad-read transaction, it will uses
> > the relative LUT sequence which uses the 4 lines.
> 
> But the controller driver shouldn't *have* that incestuous knowledge of
> the command set of the chip that happens to be connected to it.

I think the controller is designed for the NOR flash, yes, a little
strange.

> 
> That's what we're *complaining* about.
> 
> It *should* "need this information", and should just do what it's *told*
> to do by the slave device driver.
I can add the lines info in the m25p80_read() for the quad-read, but the lines
information is redundant to this Quadspi driver. 

I will send you the datasheet tomorrow.

Mark and you want to create the LUT instruction sequence at the runtime,
But there is some disadvantage if we do so:
  [1] low efficiency: 
      If you want to change the LUT regitster, you should unlock the LUT
      register, and change the LUT regitsters, and lock the LUT
      regitsters again.

  [2] we may can not create all the LUT instruction sequence at the
      runtime. For example, the buffer program(OPCODE_PP):
      the m25p80_write() may write 256bytes at a time, but the Quadspi
      controller only has a 64-byte TX-FIFO, so the controller should
      write a 64bytes firstly, then sends to the NOR with a read-status
      command. Do you want to create a read-status LUT instruction 
      sequence at run time? This is not good solution, we should
      pre-populate the read-status LUT information.

  [3] We may can not create the LUT instruction sequence at the runtime,
      since we can not get enough information from the spi_transfer{}.
      A whole LUT instruction sequence may needs the following info:
       1.) spi command.
       2.) lines info: single line, dual lines, quad lines.
       3.) Address width: 3 bytes address or 4 bytes address.
       4.) instruction type: Read or write or other. 
       5.) length info: how many bytes for this transaction .
       6.) dummy info: how many dummy is needed for this transaction.

      We can not get the dummy info from the spi_transfer{} 

      I may still miss something. But If we want to create a LUT
      instruction sequence at the runtime, we should _PARSE_ out the SPI
      NOR command firstly. If we parse out the SPI nor commands, there
      is no difference between the pre-populete-LUT and
      create-LUT-at-runtime.

thanks
Huang Shijie 

       

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Huang Shijie <shijie8@gmail.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Huang Shijie <b32955@freescale.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, "Gupta, Pekon" <pekon@ti.com>,
	"thomas.langer@lantiq.com" <thomas.langer@lantiq.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"shawn.guo@linaro.org" <shawn.guo@linaro.org>,
	"b44548@freescale.com" <b44548@freescale.com>,
	"dedekind1@gmail.com" <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"b18965@freescale.com" <b18965@freescale.com>,
	"linux-spi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-spi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	"kernel@pengutronix.de" <kernel@pengutronix.de>,
	"lznuaa@gmail.com" <lznuaa@gmail.com>,
	"computersforpeace@gmail.com" <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/8] Add the Quadspi driver for vf610-twr
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:12:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130913041208.GD3051@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1378999322.4210.95.camel@i7.infradead.org>

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 04:22:02PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 22:58 -0400, Huang Shijie wrote:
> > 
> > But for the quadspi driver, it does not need this information.
> > 
> > When the drivers knows that it is a Quad-read transaction, it will uses
> > the relative LUT sequence which uses the 4 lines.
> 
> But the controller driver shouldn't *have* that incestuous knowledge of
> the command set of the chip that happens to be connected to it.

I think the controller is designed for the NOR flash, yes, a little
strange.

> 
> That's what we're *complaining* about.
> 
> It *should* "need this information", and should just do what it's *told*
> to do by the slave device driver.
I can add the lines info in the m25p80_read() for the quad-read, but the lines
information is redundant to this Quadspi driver. 

I will send you the datasheet tomorrow.

Mark and you want to create the LUT instruction sequence at the runtime,
But there is some disadvantage if we do so:
  [1] low efficiency: 
      If you want to change the LUT regitster, you should unlock the LUT
      register, and change the LUT regitsters, and lock the LUT
      regitsters again.

  [2] we may can not create all the LUT instruction sequence at the
      runtime. For example, the buffer program(OPCODE_PP):
      the m25p80_write() may write 256bytes at a time, but the Quadspi
      controller only has a 64-byte TX-FIFO, so the controller should
      write a 64bytes firstly, then sends to the NOR with a read-status
      command. Do you want to create a read-status LUT instruction 
      sequence at run time? This is not good solution, we should
      pre-populate the read-status LUT information.

  [3] We may can not create the LUT instruction sequence at the runtime,
      since we can not get enough information from the spi_transfer{}.
      A whole LUT instruction sequence may needs the following info:
       1.) spi command.
       2.) lines info: single line, dual lines, quad lines.
       3.) Address width: 3 bytes address or 4 bytes address.
       4.) instruction type: Read or write or other. 
       5.) length info: how many bytes for this transaction .
       6.) dummy info: how many dummy is needed for this transaction.

      We can not get the dummy info from the spi_transfer{} 

      I may still miss something. But If we want to create a LUT
      instruction sequence at the runtime, we should _PARSE_ out the SPI
      NOR command firstly. If we parse out the SPI nor commands, there
      is no difference between the pre-populete-LUT and
      create-LUT-at-runtime.

thanks
Huang Shijie 

       






  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-13  4:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 241+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-30  2:07 [PATCH v3 0/8] Add the Quadspi driver for vf610-twr Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 1/8] mtd: m25p80: move the spi-nor commands to a header Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 2/8] mtd: m25p80: add support for Spansion s25fl128s chip Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 3/8] mtd: m25p80: add the quad-read support Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 4/8] mtd: m25p80: add the DDR " Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 5/8] spi: Add Freescale QuadSpi driver Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-10 18:09   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-10 18:09     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-10 18:09     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11  2:40     ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11  2:40       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11  2:40       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11 10:39       ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 10:39         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 10:39         ` Mark Brown
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 6/8] Documentation: add the binding file for Quadspi driver Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 7/8] ARM: dts: vf610: change the PAD values for Quadspi Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07 ` [PATCH v3 8/8] ARM: dts: vf610-twr: Add SPI NOR support Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-30  2:07   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04  2:16 ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Add the Quadspi driver for vf610-twr Huang Shijie
2013-09-04  2:16   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04  2:16   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04  9:55   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-04  9:55     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-04  9:55     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-04 10:29     ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04 10:29       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04 10:29       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04 11:33       ` Mark Brown
2013-09-04 11:33         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-04 11:33         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-05  1:43         ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  1:43           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  1:43           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04 13:45           ` thomas.langer
2013-09-04 13:45             ` thomas.langer
2013-09-04 13:45             ` thomas.langer at lantiq.com
2013-09-05  2:04             ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  2:04               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  2:04               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  4:25               ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  4:25                 ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  4:25                 ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  5:34                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  5:34                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  5:34                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  6:32                   ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  6:32                     ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  6:32                     ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  7:45                     ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  7:45                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  7:45                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  9:11                       ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  9:11                         ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  9:11                         ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-05  9:30                         ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  9:30                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05  9:30                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-05 13:50                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-05 13:50                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-05 13:50                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-06  2:36                             ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-06  2:36                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-06  2:36                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-08 13:47                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-08 13:47                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-08 13:47                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-09  3:07                                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-09  3:07                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-09  3:07                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-09 15:14                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-09 15:14                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-09 15:14                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-10  6:59                                     ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-10  6:59                                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-10  6:59                                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-10 18:07                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-09-10 18:07                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-10 18:07                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11  2:38                                         ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11  2:38                                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11  2:38                                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11 10:41                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 10:41                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 10:41                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 10:54                                             ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11 10:54                                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11 10:54                                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11 11:30                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 11:30                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 11:30                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 12:26                                                 ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-11 12:26                                                   ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-11 12:26                                                   ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-11 12:35                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 12:35                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 12:35                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12  9:18                                                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12  9:18                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12  9:18                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12 10:20                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 10:20                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 10:20                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-13  3:30                                                     ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  3:30                                                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  3:30                                                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12 15:32                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 15:32                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 15:32                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 10:39                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 10:39                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 10:39                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 10:56                                                     ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-12 10:56                                                       ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-12 10:56                                                       ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-09-12 11:17                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 11:17                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 11:17                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 11:48                                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 11:48                                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 11:48                                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 11:55                                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-12 11:55                                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-12 11:55                                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-12 13:24                                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 13:24                                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 13:24                                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 13:25                                                             ` Ricard Wanderlof
2013-09-12 13:25                                                               ` Ricard Wanderlof
2013-09-12 14:10                                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-12 14:10                                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-12 14:10                                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-12 12:02                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 12:02                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 12:02                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 13:43                                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 13:43                                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 13:43                                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 14:03                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 14:03                                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 14:03                                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 14:40                                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 14:40                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 14:40                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-13  3:14                                                                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  3:14                                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  3:14                                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-11 14:05                                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-11 14:05                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-11 14:05                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-11 15:07                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 15:07                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-11 15:07                                                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                   ` <20130909151450 <52318953.6090405@freescale.com>
     [not found]                                     ` <52318953.6090405@freescale.com>
2013-09-12  9:50                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12  9:50                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12  9:50                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 10:19                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 10:19                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 10:19                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-13  2:58                                         ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  2:58                                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  2:58                                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12 15:22                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 15:22                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 15:22                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-13  4:12                                             ` Huang Shijie [this message]
2013-09-13  4:12                                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  4:12                                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12 16:26                                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 16:26                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-12 16:26                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-13  3:06                                                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  3:06                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  3:06                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12 16:27                                               ` Fabio Estevam
2013-09-12 16:27                                                 ` Fabio Estevam
2013-09-12 16:27                                                 ` Fabio Estevam
2013-09-13  2:21                                                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  2:21                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  2:21                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-12 20:56                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 20:56                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-12 20:56                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-13  4:55                                                 ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  4:55                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13  4:55                                                   ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-13 10:21                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-13 10:21                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-13 10:21                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-16  2:40                                                     ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-16  2:40                                                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-16  2:40                                                       ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-16 10:19                                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-09-16 10:19                                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-16 10:19                                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-16 10:27                                                         ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-16 10:27                                                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-16 10:27                                                           ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-16 11:06                                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-09-16 11:06                                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-16 11:06                                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-09-17  2:14                                                             ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-17  2:14                                                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-17  2:14                                                               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-17 10:51                                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-09-17 10:51                                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-17 10:51                                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-09-17 15:05                                                                 ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-09-17 15:05                                                                   ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-09-17 15:05                                                                   ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-09-17 16:49                                                                   ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-09-17 16:49                                                                     ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-09-17 16:49                                                                     ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-09-17 19:54                                                                     ` Sourav Poddar
2013-09-17 19:54                                                                       ` Sourav Poddar
2013-09-17 19:13                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-09-17 19:13                                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-17 19:13                                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-09-18 15:40                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-18 15:40                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-18 15:40                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-18 16:00                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-09-18 16:00                                                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-09-18 16:00                                                                         ` Mark Brown

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