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From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] xl: neuter vcpu-set --ignore-host.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:52:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130927015216.GD7952@konrad-lan.dumpdata.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1380210460.29483.134.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com>

. snip..
> > I do get your frustration - why would a normal user want to shoot themselves
> > in the foot with VCPU over-subscription? I have some faint clue - but I
> > do to get a stream of requests from customers demanding it.
> 
> And not a single one has explained to you why they want it?
> 
> Or perhaps you could explain this faint clue of yours?

I believe it is mostly driven by VMWare making statements that this is a
OK scenario (see ESXi CPU considerations in
http://www.vmware.com/pdf/Perf_Best_Practices_vSphere5.0.pdf)
> 
> I'm not saying we can't make this change. I'm saying you haven't even
> come close to giving a reasonable justification for it. I seem to
> remember saying exactly the same thing last time we went around this
> mulberry bush too.

I learned two new idioms today - mulberry bush and tosh today :-)
> 
> >  And if they pay to
> > shoot themselves in the foot - well, here is a cocked gun and let me point the
> > gun at your foot and you can pull the trigger.
> 
> They can use the override.

Yes they can. I am was hoping we would allow a non override mode for
those who really don't want any of these overrides. George suggested the
"seatbelt" option and that looks to be a good compromise for me.

> 
> > Lastly, now that the PV ticketlocks are in and they work for both PV and
> > HVM I am curious how many people are going to start using it.
> 
> Why would they? What possible benefit is there to doing this whether or
> not PV ticketlocks are available?

Because now one can run Linux guests without incuring huge latency waits
due to spinlock contention. This makes it possible to actually compile a
Linux kernel with massively overcommited scenarios.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-27  1:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-25 20:40 [RFC] Make xl vcpu-set work in overcommit and with PV guests. (v2) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-25 20:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] xl: neuter vcpu-set --ignore-host Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-26  7:23   ` Dario Faggioli
2013-09-26 12:45     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-26  9:06   ` Ian Campbell
2013-09-26 12:48     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-26 16:25       ` George Dunlap
2013-09-27  1:44         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-26 15:28     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-26 15:47       ` Ian Campbell
2013-09-26 16:01         ` Andrew Cooper
2013-09-26 16:05           ` Ian Campbell
2013-09-27  1:52         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2013-09-27  8:41           ` Ian Campbell
2013-09-30 18:40             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-25 20:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] xl/vcpuset: Make it work for PV guests Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-09-26  9:10   ` Ian Campbell

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