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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>
Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Bryan Huntsman <bryanh@codeaurora.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] ARM: msm: Remove 7x30 supporty
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:23:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201310301423.21711.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131029211554.GA16284@fifo99.com>

On Tuesday 29 October 2013, Daniel Walker wrote:
> Why wouldn't you just update it to use the device tree ? There are lots
> of phones our there using 7x30 .. 
> 
> This is one that Qualcomm specifically upstreamed, so what was the point
> of upstreaming it ?

Things like this happen a lot: you start with great ambitions, then real
life takes over and everybody who was once working on it has moved on to
other projects before the code actually works. 

We have the policy to let new code for incomplete platforms into the
tree very liberally, but the flip side is that we have to remove them
as swiftly if progress stops. Note that this is completely different
from most of the older platforms like the StrongARM based machines
that are way more outdated but are actually working just fine and
getting fixed when they don't.

The MSM platform is currently a mess with most SoCs broken most of 
the time. I definitely agree with David's approach of removing the
ones that are not being worked on and finally getting the newer ones
to work properly, and on the same level as the other platforms.

Once that work is complete, adding back support for the older SoCs
should become much easier if anyone is still interested, since the
required changes (multiplatform, DT, ...) are targetted at reducing
the effort of maintaining platforms.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 3/4] ARM: msm: Remove 7x30 supporty
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:23:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201310301423.21711.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131029211554.GA16284@fifo99.com>

On Tuesday 29 October 2013, Daniel Walker wrote:
> Why wouldn't you just update it to use the device tree ? There are lots
> of phones our there using 7x30 .. 
> 
> This is one that Qualcomm specifically upstreamed, so what was the point
> of upstreaming it ?

Things like this happen a lot: you start with great ambitions, then real
life takes over and everybody who was once working on it has moved on to
other projects before the code actually works. 

We have the policy to let new code for incomplete platforms into the
tree very liberally, but the flip side is that we have to remove them
as swiftly if progress stops. Note that this is completely different
from most of the older platforms like the StrongARM based machines
that are way more outdated but are actually working just fine and
getting fixed when they don't.

The MSM platform is currently a mess with most SoCs broken most of 
the time. I definitely agree with David's approach of removing the
ones that are not being worked on and finally getting the newer ones
to work properly, and on the same level as the other platforms.

Once that work is complete, adding back support for the older SoCs
should become much easier if anyone is still interested, since the
required changes (multiplatform, DT, ...) are targetted at reducing
the effort of maintaining platforms.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>
Cc: David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
	Bryan Huntsman <bryanh@codeaurora.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] ARM: msm: Remove 7x30 supporty
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:23:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201310301423.21711.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131029211554.GA16284@fifo99.com>

On Tuesday 29 October 2013, Daniel Walker wrote:
> Why wouldn't you just update it to use the device tree ? There are lots
> of phones our there using 7x30 .. 
> 
> This is one that Qualcomm specifically upstreamed, so what was the point
> of upstreaming it ?

Things like this happen a lot: you start with great ambitions, then real
life takes over and everybody who was once working on it has moved on to
other projects before the code actually works. 

We have the policy to let new code for incomplete platforms into the
tree very liberally, but the flip side is that we have to remove them
as swiftly if progress stops. Note that this is completely different
from most of the older platforms like the StrongARM based machines
that are way more outdated but are actually working just fine and
getting fixed when they don't.

The MSM platform is currently a mess with most SoCs broken most of 
the time. I definitely agree with David's approach of removing the
ones that are not being worked on and finally getting the newer ones
to work properly, and on the same level as the other platforms.

Once that work is complete, adding back support for the older SoCs
should become much easier if anyone is still interested, since the
required changes (multiplatform, DT, ...) are targetted at reducing
the effort of maintaining platforms.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-30 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-28 20:43 [PATCH 0/4] Remove older ARM msm SoC support David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43 ` David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43 ` [PATCH 1/4] ARM: msm: Remove unused board files David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43   ` David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43 ` [PATCH 2/4] ARM: msm: Remove 7x00 support David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43   ` David Brown
2013-10-29 13:21   ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 13:21     ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 15:37     ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-29 15:37       ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-29 17:08       ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 17:08         ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 17:39         ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-29 17:39           ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-29 18:40           ` Tony Lindgren
2013-10-29 18:40             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-10-29 19:03           ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 19:03             ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-30 23:08       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-30 23:08         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-30 23:08         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-30 23:25         ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-30 23:25           ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31  0:36           ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31  0:36             ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31  0:36             ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31  2:45             ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31  2:45               ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31  5:19               ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31  5:19                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31 12:07                 ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 12:07                   ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 15:53                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31 15:53                     ` Olof Johansson
2013-10-31 16:33                     ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 16:33                       ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 17:12           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-31 17:12             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-31 17:12             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-31 17:35             ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 17:35               ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 17:35               ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 18:51               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-31 18:51                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-31 18:51                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-10-31 19:39                 ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 19:39                   ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 19:23               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-31 19:23                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-31 19:43                 ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-31 19:43                   ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-28 20:43 ` [PATCH 3/4] ARM: msm: Remove 7x30 support David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43   ` David Brown
2013-10-29 21:15   ` [PATCH 3/4] ARM: msm: Remove 7x30 supporty Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 21:15     ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-30 13:23     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2013-10-30 13:23       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-10-30 13:23       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-10-28 20:43 ` [PATCH 4/4] ARM: msm: Remove 8x50 support David Brown
2013-10-28 20:43   ` David Brown
2013-10-29 21:19   ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-29 21:19     ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-30 13:30     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-10-30 13:30       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-10-30 15:50       ` Daniel Walker
2013-10-30 15:50         ` Daniel Walker

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