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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 22:34:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131204033449.GX3556@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312031544530.5946@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:50:41PM -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > OK, as it seems that the notification part is too controversial, how
> > would you like the following? It reverts the notification part and still
> > solves the fault on exit path. I will prepare the full patch with the
> > changelog if this looks reasonable:
> 
> Um, no, that's not satisfactory because it obviously does the check after 
> mem_cgroup_oom_notify().  There is absolutely no reason why userspace 
> should be woken up when current simply needs access to memory reserves to 
> exit.  You can already get such notification by memory thresholds at the 
> memcg limit.
> 
> I'll repeat: Section 10 of Documentation/cgroups/memory.txt specifies what 
> userspace should do when waking up; one of those options is not "check if 
> the memcg is still actually oom in a short period of time once a charging 
> task with a pending SIGKILL or in the exit path has been able to exit."  
> Users of this interface typically also disable the memcg oom killer 
> through the same file, it's ludicrous to put the responsibility on 
> userspace to determine if the wakeup is actionable and requires it to 
> intervene in one of the methods listed in section 10.

Kind of a bummer that you haven't read anything I wrote...

But here is a patch that defers wakeups until we know for sure that
userspace action is required:

diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
index f1a0ae6..cc6adac 100644
--- a/mm/memcontrol.c
+++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
@@ -2254,8 +2254,17 @@ bool mem_cgroup_oom_synchronize(bool handle)
 
 	locked = mem_cgroup_oom_trylock(memcg);
 
+#if 0
+	/*
+	 * XXX: An unrelated task in the group might exit at any time,
+	 * making the OOM kill unnecessary.  We don't want to wake up
+	 * the userspace handler unless we are certain it needs to
+	 * intervene, so disable notifications until we solve the
+	 * halting problem.
+	 */
 	if (locked)
 		mem_cgroup_oom_notify(memcg);
+#endif
 
 	if (locked && !memcg->oom_kill_disable) {
 		mem_cgroup_unmark_under_oom(memcg);

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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 22:34:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131204033449.GX3556@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312031544530.5946@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:50:41PM -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > OK, as it seems that the notification part is too controversial, how
> > would you like the following? It reverts the notification part and still
> > solves the fault on exit path. I will prepare the full patch with the
> > changelog if this looks reasonable:
> 
> Um, no, that's not satisfactory because it obviously does the check after 
> mem_cgroup_oom_notify().  There is absolutely no reason why userspace 
> should be woken up when current simply needs access to memory reserves to 
> exit.  You can already get such notification by memory thresholds at the 
> memcg limit.
> 
> I'll repeat: Section 10 of Documentation/cgroups/memory.txt specifies what 
> userspace should do when waking up; one of those options is not "check if 
> the memcg is still actually oom in a short period of time once a charging 
> task with a pending SIGKILL or in the exit path has been able to exit."  
> Users of this interface typically also disable the memcg oom killer 
> through the same file, it's ludicrous to put the responsibility on 
> userspace to determine if the wakeup is actionable and requires it to 
> intervene in one of the methods listed in section 10.

Kind of a bummer that you haven't read anything I wrote...

But here is a patch that defers wakeups until we know for sure that
userspace action is required:

diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
index f1a0ae6..cc6adac 100644
--- a/mm/memcontrol.c
+++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
@@ -2254,8 +2254,17 @@ bool mem_cgroup_oom_synchronize(bool handle)
 
 	locked = mem_cgroup_oom_trylock(memcg);
 
+#if 0
+	/*
+	 * XXX: An unrelated task in the group might exit at any time,
+	 * making the OOM kill unnecessary.  We don't want to wake up
+	 * the userspace handler unless we are certain it needs to
+	 * intervene, so disable notifications until we solve the
+	 * halting problem.
+	 */
 	if (locked)
 		mem_cgroup_oom_notify(memcg);
+#endif
 
 	if (locked && !memcg->oom_kill_disable) {
 		mem_cgroup_unmark_under_oom(memcg);

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-04  3:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-31  1:39 [patch] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom David Rientjes
2013-10-31  1:39 ` David Rientjes
     [not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1310301838300.13556-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-31  5:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-10-31  5:49     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-10-31  5:49     ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]     ` <20131031054942.GA26301-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-13 22:19       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-13 22:19         ` David Rientjes
2013-11-13 22:19         ` David Rientjes
     [not found]         ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311131416460.23211-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-13 23:34           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-13 23:34             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-13 23:34             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-14  0:56             ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14  0:56               ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14  3:25               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-14  3:25                 ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                 ` <20131114032508.GL707-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-14 22:57                   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14 22:57                     ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14 22:57                     ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14 23:26                     ` [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves David Rientjes
2013-11-14 23:26                       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-14 23:26                       ` [patch 2/2] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom David Rientjes
2013-11-14 23:26                         ` David Rientjes
2013-11-18 18:52                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 18:52                           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                           ` <20131118185213.GA12923-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19  1:25                             ` David Rientjes
2013-11-19  1:25                               ` David Rientjes
2013-11-19  1:25                               ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                               ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311181722380.4292-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 12:41                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19 12:41                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19 12:41                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311141525440.30112-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 12:52                         ` [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs access to memory reserves Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 12:52                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 12:52                           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                           ` <20131118125240.GC32623-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 12:55                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 12:55                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 12:55                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19  1:19                               ` David Rientjes
2013-11-19  1:19                                 ` David Rientjes
2013-11-18 15:41                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-18 15:41                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-18 15:41                           ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                           ` <20131118154115.GA3556-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 16:51                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-18 16:51                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-11-19  1:22                               ` David Rientjes
2013-11-19  1:22                                 ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                               ` <20131118165110.GE32623-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 16:51                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-22 16:51                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-22 16:51                                   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                   ` <20131122165100.GN3556-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-27  0:53                                     ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27  0:53                                       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27  0:53                                       ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311261648570.21003-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-27 16:34                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-27 16:34                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-27 16:34                                           ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                           ` <20131127163435.GA3556-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-27 21:51                                             ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27 21:51                                               ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27 21:51                                               ` David Rientjes
2013-11-27 23:19                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-27 23:19                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28  0:22                                                 ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28  0:22                                                   ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28  2:28                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28  2:28                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                                     ` <20131128022804.GJ3556-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-28  2:52                                                       ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28  2:52                                                         ` David Rientjes
2013-11-28  2:52                                                         ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311271839290.5120-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-28  3:16                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28  3:16                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-28  3:16                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-02 20:02                                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-02 20:02                                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                             ` <20131202200221.GC5524-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-02 21:25                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-02 21:25                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-02 21:25                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 12:04                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-03 12:04                                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                   ` <20131203120454.GA12758-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-03 20:17                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 20:17                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 20:17                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 21:00                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-03 21:00                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-03 21:23                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 21:23                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-03 23:50                                                   ` David Rientjes
2013-12-03 23:50                                                     ` David Rientjes
2013-12-04  3:34                                                     ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2013-12-04  3:34                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312031544530.5946-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-04 11:13                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-04 11:13                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-04 11:13                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-05  0:23                                                         ` David Rientjes
2013-12-05  0:23                                                           ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                           ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312041606260.6329-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-09 12:48                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-09 12:48                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-09 12:48                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-09 21:46                                                               ` David Rientjes
2013-12-09 21:46                                                                 ` David Rientjes
2013-12-09 23:05                                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-09 23:05                                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10  0:34                                                                   ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:34                                                                     ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312091328550.11026-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-09 22:51                                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-09 22:51                                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-09 22:51                                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-12-10 10:38                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-10 10:38                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-10 10:38                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20131210103827.GB20242-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-11  1:03                                                                       ` David Rientjes
2013-12-11  1:03                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2013-12-11  1:03                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2013-12-11  9:55                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-11  9:55                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-11 22:40                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-11 22:40                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2013-12-12 10:31                                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 10:31                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 10:50                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 10:50                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 10:50                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:11                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:11                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:11                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:37                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-12 12:37                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-13 23:55                                                                               ` David Rientjes
2013-12-13 23:55                                                                                 ` David Rientjes
2013-12-17 16:23                                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-17 16:23                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-17 20:50                                                                                   ` David Rientjes
2013-12-17 20:50                                                                                     ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312171240541.21640-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-18 20:04                                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-18 20:04                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-18 20:04                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-19  6:09                                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2013-12-19  6:09                                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2013-12-19 14:41                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-19 14:41                                                                                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <20131219144134.GH10855-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-08  0:25                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-08  0:25                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-08  0:25                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <20140107162503.f751e880410f61a109cdcc2b-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-08 10:33                                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-08 10:33                                                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-08 10:33                                                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 14:30                                                                                                     ` [PATCH] memcg: Do not hang on OOM when killed by userspace OOM " Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 14:30                                                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 14:30                                                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 21:40                                                                                                       ` David Rientjes
2014-01-09 21:40                                                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  8:23                                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10  8:23                                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10 21:33                                                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10 21:33                                                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 14:26                                                                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-15 14:26                                                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-15 21:19                                                                                                               ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 21:19                                                                                                                 ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401151304430.10727-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 10:12                                                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-16 10:12                                                                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-16 10:12                                                                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-21  6:13                                                                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-21  6:13                                                                                                                       ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                                                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401202158411.21729-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-21 13:21                                                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-21 13:21                                                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-21 13:21                                                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 21:34                                                                                                 ` [patch 1/2] mm, memcg: avoid oom notification when current needs " David Rientjes
2014-01-09 21:34                                                                                                   ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401091324120.31538-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-09 22:47                                                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-09 22:47                                                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-09 22:47                                                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  0:01                                                                                                       ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:01                                                                                                         ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:12                                                                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  0:12                                                                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  0:12                                                                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  0:23                                                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:23                                                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:35                                                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  0:35                                                                                                               ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401091613560.22649-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-10 22:14                                                                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 22:14                                                                                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 22:14                                                                                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-12 22:10                                                                                                                 ` David Rientjes
2014-01-12 22:10                                                                                                                   ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 14:34                                                                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-15 14:34                                                                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-15 21:23                                                                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 21:23                                                                                                                       ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                                                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401151319580.10727-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16  9:32                                                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-16  9:32                                                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-16  9:32                                                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-21  5:58                                                                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2014-01-21  5:58                                                                                                                             ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401202155410.21729-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-21  6:04                                                                                                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartmann
2014-01-21  6:04                                                                                                                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartmann
2014-01-21  6:04                                                                                                                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartmann
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <20140121060428.GA19037-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-21  6:08                                                                                                                                   ` David Rientjes
2014-01-21  6:08                                                                                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-21  6:08                                                                                                                                     ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  8:30                                                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10  8:30                                                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10 21:38                                                                                                           ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10 21:38                                                                                                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10 22:34                                                                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 22:34                                                                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-12 22:14                                                                                                               ` David Rientjes
2014-01-12 22:14                                                                                                                 ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311141447160.21413-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:54                       ` [patch] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom Johannes Weiner
2013-11-18 15:54                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-18 15:54                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-18 23:15                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2013-11-18 23:15                           ` One Thousand Gnomes

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