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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "Waskiewicz Jr,
	Peter P"
	<peter.p.waskiewicz.jr-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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	<cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] x86: Add Cache QoS Monitoring (CQM) support
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:06:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140106180636.GG30183@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1389026867.32504.16.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 04:47:57PM +0000, Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P wrote:
> > As is I don't really see a good use for RMIDs and I would simply not use
> > them.
> 
> If you want to use CQM in the hardware, then the RMID is how you get the
> cache usage data from the CPU.  If you don't want to use CQM, then you
> can ignore RMIDs.

I think you can make do with a single RMID (per cpu). When you program
the counter (be it for a task, cpu or cgroup context) you set the 1 RMID
and EVSEL and read the CTR.

What I'm not entirely clear on is if the EVSEL and CTR MSR are per
logical CPU or per L3 (package); /me prays they're per logical CPU.

> One of the best use cases for using RMIDs is in virtualization.

*groan*.. /me plugs wax in ears and goes la-la-la-la

> A VM
> may be a heavy cache user, or a light cache user.  Tracing different VMs
> on different RMIDs can allow an admin to identify which VM may be
> causing high levels of eviction, and either migrate it to another host,
> or move other tasks/VMs to other hosts.  Without CQM, it's much harder
> to find which process is eating the cache up.

Not necessarily VMs, there's plenty large processes that exhibit similar
problems.. why must people always do VMs :-(

That said, even with a single RMID you can get that information by
simply running it against all competing processes one at a time. Since
there's limited RMID space you need to rotate at some point anyway.

The cgroup interface you propose wouldn't allow for rotation; other than
manual by creating different cgroups one after another.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P" <peter.p.waskiewicz.jr@intel.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	"containers@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"cgroups@vger.kernel.org" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] x86: Add Cache QoS Monitoring (CQM) support
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:06:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140106180636.GG30183@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1389026867.32504.16.camel@ppwaskie-mobl.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 04:47:57PM +0000, Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P wrote:
> > As is I don't really see a good use for RMIDs and I would simply not use
> > them.
> 
> If you want to use CQM in the hardware, then the RMID is how you get the
> cache usage data from the CPU.  If you don't want to use CQM, then you
> can ignore RMIDs.

I think you can make do with a single RMID (per cpu). When you program
the counter (be it for a task, cpu or cgroup context) you set the 1 RMID
and EVSEL and read the CTR.

What I'm not entirely clear on is if the EVSEL and CTR MSR are per
logical CPU or per L3 (package); /me prays they're per logical CPU.

> One of the best use cases for using RMIDs is in virtualization.

*groan*.. /me plugs wax in ears and goes la-la-la-la

> A VM
> may be a heavy cache user, or a light cache user.  Tracing different VMs
> on different RMIDs can allow an admin to identify which VM may be
> causing high levels of eviction, and either migrate it to another host,
> or move other tasks/VMs to other hosts.  Without CQM, it's much harder
> to find which process is eating the cache up.

Not necessarily VMs, there's plenty large processes that exhibit similar
problems.. why must people always do VMs :-(

That said, even with a single RMID you can get that information by
simply running it against all competing processes one at a time. Since
there's limited RMID space you need to rotate at some point anyway.

The cgroup interface you propose wouldn't allow for rotation; other than
manual by creating different cgroups one after another.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-06 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-03 20:34 [PATCH 0/4] x86: Add Cache QoS Monitoring (CQM) support Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-03 20:34 ` Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-03 20:34 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86: Add support for Cache QoS Monitoring (CQM) detection Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-03 20:34 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86: Add Cache QoS Monitoring support to x86 perf uncore Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
     [not found] ` <1388781285-18067-1-git-send-email-peter.p.waskiewicz.jr-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-03 20:34   ` [PATCH 3/4] cgroup: Add new cacheqos cgroup subsys to support Cache QoS Monitoring Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-03 20:34     ` Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-03 20:34   ` [PATCH 4/4] Documentation: Add documentation for cacheqos cgroup Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-03 20:34     ` Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
2014-01-04 16:10   ` [PATCH 0/4] x86: Add Cache QoS Monitoring (CQM) support Tejun Heo
2014-01-04 16:10   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-04 16:10     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20140104161050.GA24306-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-04 22:43       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-04 22:43         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]         ` <1388875369.9761.25.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-04 22:50           ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-04 22:50             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20140104225058.GC24306-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-05  5:23               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-05  5:23                 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                 ` <1388899376.9761.45.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 11:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 11:16                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <20140106111624.GB5623-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 16:34                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 16:34                         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                         ` <1389026035.32504.3.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 16:41                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 16:41                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                             ` <20140106164150.GQ31570-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 16:47                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 16:47                                 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                 ` <1389026867.32504.16.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 17:53                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 17:53                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                     ` <20140106175338.GF30183-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 18:05                                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 18:05                                         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 18:06                                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-01-06 18:06                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                     ` <20140106180636.GG30183-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 20:10                                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 20:10                                         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                         ` <1389039035.32504.35.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 21:26                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 21:26                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 21:26                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                             ` <20140106212623.GH30183-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 21:48                                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 21:48                                                 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                                 ` <1389044899.32504.43.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 22:12                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 22:12                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                     ` <20140106221251.GJ30183-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 22:45                                                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 22:45                                                         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                                         ` <1389048315.32504.57.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-07  8:34                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07  8:34                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                             ` <20140107083440.GL30183-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-07 15:15                                                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-07 15:15                                                                 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                                                 ` <1389107743.32504.69.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-07 21:12                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07 21:12                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20140107211229.GF2480-RM5+C6weyIYnLiPH7yDmwOa11wxjtiyuLtmvbW2Dspo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-10 18:55                                                                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-10 18:55                                                                         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1389380100.32504.172.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-13  7:55                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-13  7:55                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20140113075528.GR7572-RM5+C6weyIYnLiPH7yDmwOa11wxjtiyuLtmvbW2Dspo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14 17:58                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-14 17:58                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-14 17:58                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <52D57AC2.3090109-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-27 17:34                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-27 17:34                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20140127173420.GA9636-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-18 17:29                                                                                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-02-18 17:29                                                                                         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <1392744567.3069.42.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-18 19:35                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 19:35                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 19:35                                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <20140218193528.GQ14089-RM5+C6weyIYnLiPH7yDmwOa11wxjtiyuLtmvbW2Dspo@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-18 19:54                                                                                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-02-18 19:54                                                                                                 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <1392753259.607.9.camel-29DAm2eTeB2q+SSgkFU3IPooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-20 16:58                                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-20 16:58                                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-14 20:46                                                                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-14 20:46                                                                                 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-14 20:46                                                                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 16:47                               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-06 11:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20140106110803.GA5623-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06 16:42       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 16:42       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2014-01-06 16:42         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P

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