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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Leif Lindholm <leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org,
	patches-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	roy.franz-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	msalter-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/5] arm: Add [U]EFI runtime services support
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:26:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201401141426.16497.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140114114419.GH30907-t77nlHhSwNqAroYi2ySoxKxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>

On Tuesday 14 January 2014, Leif Lindholm wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 07:52:32AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > > It uses the generic configuration table scanning to populate ACPI and
> > > > > SMBIOS pointers.
> > > > 
> > > > As far as I'm concerned there are no plans to have ACPI support on ARM32,
> > > > so I wonder what the code to populate the ACPI tables is about. Can
> > > > you clarify this?
> > > 
> > > Are you suggesting that I should #ifndef ARM in common code, or that I
> > > should neglect to document what the common code will do with data it is
> > > given by UEFI?
> > 
> > It would probably be good to document the fact that it won't work,
> > possibly even having a BUG_ON statement in the code for this case.
> 
> Why?
> 
> You'll only touch that pointer if you enable CONFIG_ACPI, and if you
> do you probably want that address. Sounds a bit hostile to throw a BUG
> in the face of someone who's (for example) just succeeded to get Linux
> running on a Windows RT device.

But we know that it can't work unless a lot of other things get changed
in the kernel.

> > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/Kconfig b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > index 78a79a6a..1ab24cc 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > @@ -1853,6 +1853,20 @@ config EARLY_IOREMAP
> > > > >  	  the same virtual memory range as kmap so all early mappings must
> > > > >  	  be unapped before paging_init() is called.
> > > > >  
> > > > > +config EFI
> > > > > +	bool "UEFI runtime service support"
> > > > > +	depends on OF && !CPU_BIG_ENDIAN
> > > > 
> > > > What is the dependency on !CPU_BIG_ENDIAN?
> > > 
> > > Mainly on code not being implemented to byte-reverse UCS strings.
> > 
> > Why would you byte-reverse /strings/? They normally just come in
> > order of the characters, and UTF-16 strings are already defined
> > as being big-endian or marked by the BOM character.
> 
> Well, then that bit might just work[tm].
> 
> Although no other architectures supported by UEFI support big-endian,
> so to be honest, I don't want to have to be the first one to validate
> that in order to get the basic support into the kernel.

I think there was a project to run UEFI on PowerPC on some stage, though
I can't find any code now.

> Some of the data structures might need swizzling though...
> Again - if there is demand, this can be dealt with at a later date.

Ok.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4 4/5] arm: Add [U]EFI runtime services support
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:26:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201401141426.16497.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140114114419.GH30907@bivouac.eciton.net>

On Tuesday 14 January 2014, Leif Lindholm wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 07:52:32AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > > It uses the generic configuration table scanning to populate ACPI and
> > > > > SMBIOS pointers.
> > > > 
> > > > As far as I'm concerned there are no plans to have ACPI support on ARM32,
> > > > so I wonder what the code to populate the ACPI tables is about. Can
> > > > you clarify this?
> > > 
> > > Are you suggesting that I should #ifndef ARM in common code, or that I
> > > should neglect to document what the common code will do with data it is
> > > given by UEFI?
> > 
> > It would probably be good to document the fact that it won't work,
> > possibly even having a BUG_ON statement in the code for this case.
> 
> Why?
> 
> You'll only touch that pointer if you enable CONFIG_ACPI, and if you
> do you probably want that address. Sounds a bit hostile to throw a BUG
> in the face of someone who's (for example) just succeeded to get Linux
> running on a Windows RT device.

But we know that it can't work unless a lot of other things get changed
in the kernel.

> > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/Kconfig b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > index 78a79a6a..1ab24cc 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > @@ -1853,6 +1853,20 @@ config EARLY_IOREMAP
> > > > >  	  the same virtual memory range as kmap so all early mappings must
> > > > >  	  be unapped before paging_init() is called.
> > > > >  
> > > > > +config EFI
> > > > > +	bool "UEFI runtime service support"
> > > > > +	depends on OF && !CPU_BIG_ENDIAN
> > > > 
> > > > What is the dependency on !CPU_BIG_ENDIAN?
> > > 
> > > Mainly on code not being implemented to byte-reverse UCS strings.
> > 
> > Why would you byte-reverse /strings/? They normally just come in
> > order of the characters, and UTF-16 strings are already defined
> > as being big-endian or marked by the BOM character.
> 
> Well, then that bit might just work[tm].
> 
> Although no other architectures supported by UEFI support big-endian,
> so to be honest, I don't want to have to be the first one to validate
> that in order to get the basic support into the kernel.

I think there was a project to run UEFI on PowerPC on some stage, though
I can't find any code now.

> Some of the data structures might need swizzling though...
> Again - if there is demand, this can be dealt with at a later date.

Ok.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Leif Lindholm <leif.lindholm@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, grant.likely@secretlab.ca,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, linux@arm.linux.org.uk,
	patches@linaro.org, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	roy.franz@linaro.org, matt.fleming@intel.com, msalter@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/5] arm: Add [U]EFI runtime services support
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:26:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201401141426.16497.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140114114419.GH30907@bivouac.eciton.net>

On Tuesday 14 January 2014, Leif Lindholm wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 07:52:32AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > > It uses the generic configuration table scanning to populate ACPI and
> > > > > SMBIOS pointers.
> > > > 
> > > > As far as I'm concerned there are no plans to have ACPI support on ARM32,
> > > > so I wonder what the code to populate the ACPI tables is about. Can
> > > > you clarify this?
> > > 
> > > Are you suggesting that I should #ifndef ARM in common code, or that I
> > > should neglect to document what the common code will do with data it is
> > > given by UEFI?
> > 
> > It would probably be good to document the fact that it won't work,
> > possibly even having a BUG_ON statement in the code for this case.
> 
> Why?
> 
> You'll only touch that pointer if you enable CONFIG_ACPI, and if you
> do you probably want that address. Sounds a bit hostile to throw a BUG
> in the face of someone who's (for example) just succeeded to get Linux
> running on a Windows RT device.

But we know that it can't work unless a lot of other things get changed
in the kernel.

> > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/Kconfig b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > index 78a79a6a..1ab24cc 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> > > > > @@ -1853,6 +1853,20 @@ config EARLY_IOREMAP
> > > > >  	  the same virtual memory range as kmap so all early mappings must
> > > > >  	  be unapped before paging_init() is called.
> > > > >  
> > > > > +config EFI
> > > > > +	bool "UEFI runtime service support"
> > > > > +	depends on OF && !CPU_BIG_ENDIAN
> > > > 
> > > > What is the dependency on !CPU_BIG_ENDIAN?
> > > 
> > > Mainly on code not being implemented to byte-reverse UCS strings.
> > 
> > Why would you byte-reverse /strings/? They normally just come in
> > order of the characters, and UTF-16 strings are already defined
> > as being big-endian or marked by the BOM character.
> 
> Well, then that bit might just work[tm].
> 
> Although no other architectures supported by UEFI support big-endian,
> so to be honest, I don't want to have to be the first one to validate
> that in order to get the basic support into the kernel.

I think there was a project to run UEFI on PowerPC on some stage, though
I can't find any code now.

> Some of the data structures might need swizzling though...
> Again - if there is demand, this can be dealt with at a later date.

Ok.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-14 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-11 13:05 [PATCH v4 0/5] arm: add UEFI runtime services support Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05 ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05 ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] arm: break part of __soft_restart out into separate function Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05   ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]   ` <1389445524-30623-2-git-send-email-leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 11:09     ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:09       ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:09       ` Will Deacon
     [not found] ` <1389445524-30623-1-git-send-email-leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-11 13:05   ` [PATCH v4 2/5] arm: add new asm macro update_sctlr Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05     ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05     ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]     ` <1389445524-30623-3-git-send-email-leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 11:20       ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:20         ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:20         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20140122112055.GF1621-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 18:28           ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-29 18:28             ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-29 18:28             ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-29 19:27             ` Will Deacon
2014-01-29 19:27               ` Will Deacon
2014-01-29 19:27               ` Will Deacon
2014-01-29 20:58             ` Mark Salter
2014-01-29 20:58               ` Mark Salter
2014-01-29 20:58               ` Mark Salter
     [not found]               ` <1391029124.2488.50.camel-PDpCo7skNiwAicBL8TP8PQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 13:12                 ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-30 13:12                   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-30 13:12                   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 10:34                   ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 10:34                     ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 10:34                     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                     ` <20140203103415.GA12187-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-03 15:55                       ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 15:55                         ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 15:55                         ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 16:00                         ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 16:00                           ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 16:00                           ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 16:20                           ` Rob Herring
2014-02-03 16:20                             ` Rob Herring
2014-02-03 16:46                           ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 16:46                             ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 16:57                             ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 16:57                               ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 16:57                               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                               ` <20140203165718.GO14112-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-03 18:15                                 ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 18:15                                   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-03 18:15                                   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] Documentation: arm: add UEFI support documentation Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] arm: Add [U]EFI runtime services support Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05   ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]   ` <1389445524-30623-5-git-send-email-leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-13 15:40     ` Matt Fleming
2014-01-13 15:40       ` Matt Fleming
2014-01-13 15:40       ` Matt Fleming
2014-01-13 18:43   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-13 18:43     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-13 18:43     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-13 20:01     ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-13 20:01       ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]       ` <20140113200135.GF30907-t77nlHhSwNqAroYi2ySoxKxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14  6:52         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-14  6:52           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-14  6:52           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]           ` <201401140752.33257.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14 11:44             ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-14 11:44               ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-14 11:44               ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]               ` <20140114114419.GH30907-t77nlHhSwNqAroYi2ySoxKxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14 13:26                 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-01-14 13:26                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-14 13:26                   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                   ` <201401141426.16497.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14 15:25                     ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-14 15:25                       ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-14 15:25                       ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] init: efi: arm: enable (U)EFI runtime services on arm Leif Lindholm
2014-01-11 13:05   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-13 18:29   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-13 18:29     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <201401131929.07236.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-13 18:57       ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-13 18:57         ` Leif Lindholm
2014-01-13 18:57         ` Leif Lindholm

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