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From: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Thomas Falcon <tlfalcon@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: KVM and variable-endianness guest CPUs
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:19:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140120191919.GH13432@cbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <03D15FE3-2A12-4D60-8D20-07D05F3740F6@suse.de>

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 03:22:11PM +0100, Alexander Graf wrote:
> 
> On 17.01.2014, at 19:52, Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 17 January 2014 17:53, Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> >> Specifically, the KVM API says "here's a uint8_t[] byte
> >> array and a length", and the current QEMU code treats that
> >> as "this is a byte array written as if the guest CPU
> >> (a) were in TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN order and (b) wrote its
> >> I/O access to this buffer rather than to the device".
> >> 
> >> The KVM API docs don't actually specify the endianness
> >> semantics of the byte array, but I think that that really
> >> needs to be nailed down. I can think of a couple of options:
> >> * always LE
> >> * always BE
> >>   [these first two are non-starters because they would
> >>   break either x86 or PPC existing code]
> >> * always the endianness the guest is at the time
> >> * always some arbitrary endianness based purely on the
> >>   endianness the KVM implementation used historically
> >> * always the endianness of the host QEMU binary
> >> * something else?
> >> 
> >> Any preferences? Current QEMU code basically assumes
> >> "always the endianness of TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN",
> >> which is pretty random.
> > 
> > Having thought a little more about this, my opinion is:
> > 
> > * we should specify that the byte order of the mmio.data
> >   array is host kernel endianness (ie same endianness
> >   as the QEMU process itself) [this is what it actually
> >   is, I think, for all the cases that work today]
> > * we should fix the code path in QEMU for handling
> >   mmio.data which currently has the implicit assumption
> >   that when using KVM TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN is the same
> >   as the QEMU host process endianness (because it's using
> >   load/store functions which swap if TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN
> >   is different from HOST_WORDS_BIGENDIAN)
> 
> Yes, I fully agree :).
> 
Great, I'll prepare a patch for the KVM API documentation.

-Christoffer

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Thomas Falcon <tlfalcon@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM and variable-endianness guest CPUs
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:19:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140120191919.GH13432@cbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <03D15FE3-2A12-4D60-8D20-07D05F3740F6@suse.de>

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 03:22:11PM +0100, Alexander Graf wrote:
> 
> On 17.01.2014, at 19:52, Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 17 January 2014 17:53, Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> >> Specifically, the KVM API says "here's a uint8_t[] byte
> >> array and a length", and the current QEMU code treats that
> >> as "this is a byte array written as if the guest CPU
> >> (a) were in TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN order and (b) wrote its
> >> I/O access to this buffer rather than to the device".
> >> 
> >> The KVM API docs don't actually specify the endianness
> >> semantics of the byte array, but I think that that really
> >> needs to be nailed down. I can think of a couple of options:
> >> * always LE
> >> * always BE
> >>   [these first two are non-starters because they would
> >>   break either x86 or PPC existing code]
> >> * always the endianness the guest is at the time
> >> * always some arbitrary endianness based purely on the
> >>   endianness the KVM implementation used historically
> >> * always the endianness of the host QEMU binary
> >> * something else?
> >> 
> >> Any preferences? Current QEMU code basically assumes
> >> "always the endianness of TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN",
> >> which is pretty random.
> > 
> > Having thought a little more about this, my opinion is:
> > 
> > * we should specify that the byte order of the mmio.data
> >   array is host kernel endianness (ie same endianness
> >   as the QEMU process itself) [this is what it actually
> >   is, I think, for all the cases that work today]
> > * we should fix the code path in QEMU for handling
> >   mmio.data which currently has the implicit assumption
> >   that when using KVM TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN is the same
> >   as the QEMU host process endianness (because it's using
> >   load/store functions which swap if TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN
> >   is different from HOST_WORDS_BIGENDIAN)
> 
> Yes, I fully agree :).
> 
Great, I'll prepare a patch for the KVM API documentation.

-Christoffer

  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-20 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-17 17:53 KVM and variable-endianness guest CPUs Peter Maydell
2014-01-17 17:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-17 18:52 ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-17 18:52   ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-18  4:24   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-18  4:24     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-18  7:32     ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-18  7:32       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-18 10:15       ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-18 10:15         ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-20 14:20         ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-20 14:20           ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-20 14:31           ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-20 14:31             ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-20 14:22   ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-20 14:22     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-20 19:19     ` Christoffer Dall [this message]
2014-01-20 19:19       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-22  5:39       ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22  5:39         ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22  6:31         ` Anup Patel
2014-01-22  6:31           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anup Patel
2014-01-22  6:41           ` [Qemu-ppc] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-22  6:41             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-22  7:26             ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22  7:26               ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 10:52               ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-22 10:52                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-23  4:25                 ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23  4:25                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 10:32                   ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-23 10:32                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-23 10:56                   ` Greg Kurz
2014-01-23 10:56                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Greg Kurz
2014-01-22  8:57             ` Anup Patel
2014-01-22  8:57               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anup Patel
2014-01-23 23:28               ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-23 23:28                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-22 10:22         ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 10:22           ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 17:19           ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 17:19             ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 17:29             ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 17:29               ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 19:29               ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 19:29                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 20:02                 ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 20:02                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 22:47                   ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 22:47                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 23:18                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 23:18                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-23  0:22                       ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23  0:22                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 10:23                         ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-23 10:23                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-23 15:06                           ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 15:06                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 15:33                             ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-23 15:33                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-23 16:25                               ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 16:25                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 20:45                                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-23 20:45                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-24  0:50                                   ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-24  0:50                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-24  2:14                                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-24  2:14                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-24  4:11                                       ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-24  4:11                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-28  0:32                                         ` [Qemu-ppc] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:32                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:40                                           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28  0:40                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28  0:15                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:15                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-24  0:09                                 ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-24  0:09                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-28  0:07                               ` [Qemu-ppc] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:07                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:07                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:07                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:34                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:34                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:49                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-27 23:49                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-28  0:36                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:36                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:44                         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28  0:44                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28  4:47                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  4:47                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28 16:31                             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28 16:31                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2014-01-27 23:31                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:31                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:27               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:27                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  9:16                 ` Avi Kivity
2014-01-28  9:16                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2014-01-28  9:04           ` Avi Kivity
2014-01-28  9:04             ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity

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