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From: Lukasz Majewski <l.majewski@samsung.com>
To: Thomas Abraham <ta.omasab@gmail.com>
Cc: Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] Documentation: devicetree: Add boost-frequency binding to list boost mode frequency
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:53:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140210085305.641e6de5@amdc2363> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuA9aj-LsdBiS2msOVmNRSe6mNj9QJsys9KjHZAk=9hrZOLzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas, Sudeep,

> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Sudeep Holla
> > <Sudeep.Holla@arm.com> wrote:
> >> On 07/02/14 17:37, Nishanth Menon wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Sudeep Holla
> >>> <Sudeep.Holla@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>>> Yes I think its counter-intuitive as it's visible to the
> >>>> userspace(list of frequencies and the boost parameters are
> >>>> exposed through sysfs)
> >>>
> >>> That will be a different problem -> as currently every single
> >>> frequency in the cpufreq list has ability to be marked as boost
> >>> frequency - if userspace does not maintain that, then, IMHO, fix
> >>> the userspace :D
> >>>
> >>
> >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
> >> gives the list of frequencies based on the state of the boost
> >> feature at anytime.
> >>
> >> Intuitively the list without boost shouldn't have any frequency
> >> above the range when it's enabled :), that's what I was referring
> >> to. So I am not talking about any issue with user-space
> >> maintenance.
> > Fair enough - but i still think it has nothing to do with dt binding
> > itself -> and i think the discussion we've had should be good for
> > the binding provided in this patch.. I hope.. if documentation
> > needs a bit of better explanation to prevent a repeat of the same
> > discussion at a later point of time, now might be a good time to
> > add it in.
> 
> The term boost and over-clocking have been described in the bindings
> document as being the same. Since the term over-clocking refers to
> running a CPU beyond normal operating frequencies, I tend to agree
> with Sudeep that it is not intuitive if a normal operating frequency
> is greater than a boost mode frequency.
> 
> Otherwise, when userspace does "echo 1 >
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/boost", what is it supposed to mean. I
> think the original intent of boost mode patches was to allow CPU to
> operate at frequencies greater than the normal operating frequencies.
> 
> Lukasz, how would you want this to be handled?

Please consider an example:

normal-freqs: 1400000, 1200000, 1000000, 800000, 600000, 400000, 200000
[1]
boost-freqs: 1700000, 1600000, 1500000. [2]

All those freqs shall be represented as OPPs freq and voltage tuple.

Best would be to specify all the boost-freqs as:
boost-freqs = <1700000 1600000 1500000> to be prepared for future
quirks or problems (or special cases which might show up latter).
If anybody can foresee any potential threads - like platform on which
boost freqs are 1700000 and 1500000, but not 1600000, then please share
this information.

However, I think that it would be also acceptable to specify only:
boost-freq = <1500000> and mark all freqs greater or equal to it as
CPUFREQ_BOOST_FREQ.

If there aren't any potential problems, then I think the second option
would be a good solution (we would have only one BOOST attribute stored
at CPUs DTS node).

> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas.
> 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nishanth Menon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-arm-kernel mailing list
> linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel



-- 
Best regards,

Lukasz Majewski

Samsung R&D Institute Poland (SRPOL) | Linux Platform Group

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From: l.majewski@samsung.com (Lukasz Majewski)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 2/2] Documentation: devicetree: Add boost-frequency binding to list boost mode frequency
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:53:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140210085305.641e6de5@amdc2363> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuA9aj-LsdBiS2msOVmNRSe6mNj9QJsys9KjHZAk=9hrZOLzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas, Sudeep,

> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Sudeep Holla
> > <Sudeep.Holla@arm.com> wrote:
> >> On 07/02/14 17:37, Nishanth Menon wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Sudeep Holla
> >>> <Sudeep.Holla@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>>> Yes I think its counter-intuitive as it's visible to the
> >>>> userspace(list of frequencies and the boost parameters are
> >>>> exposed through sysfs)
> >>>
> >>> That will be a different problem -> as currently every single
> >>> frequency in the cpufreq list has ability to be marked as boost
> >>> frequency - if userspace does not maintain that, then, IMHO, fix
> >>> the userspace :D
> >>>
> >>
> >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
> >> gives the list of frequencies based on the state of the boost
> >> feature at anytime.
> >>
> >> Intuitively the list without boost shouldn't have any frequency
> >> above the range when it's enabled :), that's what I was referring
> >> to. So I am not talking about any issue with user-space
> >> maintenance.
> > Fair enough - but i still think it has nothing to do with dt binding
> > itself -> and i think the discussion we've had should be good for
> > the binding provided in this patch.. I hope.. if documentation
> > needs a bit of better explanation to prevent a repeat of the same
> > discussion at a later point of time, now might be a good time to
> > add it in.
> 
> The term boost and over-clocking have been described in the bindings
> document as being the same. Since the term over-clocking refers to
> running a CPU beyond normal operating frequencies, I tend to agree
> with Sudeep that it is not intuitive if a normal operating frequency
> is greater than a boost mode frequency.
> 
> Otherwise, when userspace does "echo 1 >
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/boost", what is it supposed to mean. I
> think the original intent of boost mode patches was to allow CPU to
> operate at frequencies greater than the normal operating frequencies.
> 
> Lukasz, how would you want this to be handled?

Please consider an example:

normal-freqs: 1400000, 1200000, 1000000, 800000, 600000, 400000, 200000
[1]
boost-freqs: 1700000, 1600000, 1500000. [2]

All those freqs shall be represented as OPPs freq and voltage tuple.

Best would be to specify all the boost-freqs as:
boost-freqs = <1700000 1600000 1500000> to be prepared for future
quirks or problems (or special cases which might show up latter).
If anybody can foresee any potential threads - like platform on which
boost freqs are 1700000 and 1500000, but not 1600000, then please share
this information.

However, I think that it would be also acceptable to specify only:
boost-freq = <1500000> and mark all freqs greater or equal to it as
CPUFREQ_BOOST_FREQ.

If there aren't any potential problems, then I think the second option
would be a good solution (we would have only one BOOST attribute stored
at CPUs DTS node).

> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas.
> 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nishanth Menon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-arm-kernel mailing list
> linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel



-- 
Best regards,

Lukasz Majewski

Samsung R&D Institute Poland (SRPOL) | Linux Platform Group

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-10  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-07 15:19 [PATCH v2 0/2] Add device tree based lookup of boost mode frequency Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:19 ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] PM / OPP: Allow boost frequency to be looked up from device tree Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:19   ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:29   ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 15:29     ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 15:38     ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:38       ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:52       ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 15:52         ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 16:01   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 16:01     ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-08  5:10     ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-08  5:10       ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-10  7:10       ` Lukasz Majewski
2014-02-10  7:10         ` Lukasz Majewski
2014-02-10 10:40       ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-10 10:40         ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 15:19 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] Documentation: devicetree: Add boost-frequency binding to list boost mode frequency Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:19   ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:27   ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 15:27     ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 15:38     ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 15:38       ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-07 16:15   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 16:15     ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 16:28     ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 16:28       ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 16:43       ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 16:43         ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 17:31         ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 17:31           ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 17:37           ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 17:37             ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 17:40             ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 17:40               ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 18:02             ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 18:02               ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-07 19:41               ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-07 19:41                 ` Nishanth Menon
2014-02-08  6:47                 ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-08  6:47                   ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-10  7:53                   ` Lukasz Majewski [this message]
2014-02-10  7:53                     ` Lukasz Majewski
2014-02-10 11:20                     ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-10 11:20                       ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-08  6:47               ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-08  6:47                 ` Thomas Abraham
2014-02-10  7:38                 ` Lukasz Majewski
2014-02-10  7:38                   ` Lukasz Majewski
2014-02-10 10:51                   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-10 10:51                     ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-10 10:46                 ` Sudeep Holla
2014-02-10 10:46                   ` Sudeep Holla

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