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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	sivanich@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Disable zone_reclaim_mode by default
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:08:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140409130819.GS7292@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53445481.3030202@agliodbs.com>

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 03:56:49PM -0400, Josh Berkus wrote:
> On 04/08/2014 03:53 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> > In an ideal world, the kernel would put the hottest pages on the local
> > node and the less-hot pages on remote nodes, moving pages around as
> > the workload shifts.  In practice, that's probably pretty hard.
> > Fortunately, it's not nearly as important as making sure we don't
> > unnecessarily hit the disk, which is infinitely slower than any memory
> > bank.
> 
> Even if the kernel could do this, we would *still* have to disable it
> for PostgreSQL, since our double-buffering makes our pages look "cold"
> to the kernel ... as discussed.
> 

If it's the shared mapping that is being used then automatic NUMA
balancing should migrate those pages to a node local to the CPU
accessing it but how well it works will partially depend on how much
those accesses move around. It's independent of the zone_reclaim_mode
issue.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	sivanich@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Disable zone_reclaim_mode by default
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:08:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140409130819.GS7292@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53445481.3030202@agliodbs.com>

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 03:56:49PM -0400, Josh Berkus wrote:
> On 04/08/2014 03:53 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> > In an ideal world, the kernel would put the hottest pages on the local
> > node and the less-hot pages on remote nodes, moving pages around as
> > the workload shifts.  In practice, that's probably pretty hard.
> > Fortunately, it's not nearly as important as making sure we don't
> > unnecessarily hit the disk, which is infinitely slower than any memory
> > bank.
> 
> Even if the kernel could do this, we would *still* have to disable it
> for PostgreSQL, since our double-buffering makes our pages look "cold"
> to the kernel ... as discussed.
> 

If it's the shared mapping that is being used then automatic NUMA
balancing should migrate those pages to a node local to the CPU
accessing it but how well it works will partially depend on how much
those accesses move around. It's independent of the zone_reclaim_mode
issue.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-09 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-07 22:34 [PATCH 0/2] Disable zone_reclaim_mode by default Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 22:34 ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 22:34 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: " Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 22:34   ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 23:35   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-07 23:35     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-08  1:17   ` Zhang Yanfei
2014-04-08  1:17     ` Zhang Yanfei
2014-04-08  7:14   ` Andres Freund
2014-04-08  7:14     ` Andres Freund
2014-04-08 14:14   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-08 14:14     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-08 14:47     ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-08 14:47       ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 22:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: page_alloc: Do not cache reclaim distances Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 22:34   ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-07 23:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-07 23:36     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-08  1:17   ` Zhang Yanfei
2014-04-08  1:17     ` Zhang Yanfei
2014-04-08  7:26 ` [PATCH 0/2] Disable zone_reclaim_mode by default Vlastimil Babka
2014-04-08  7:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-04-08 14:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-08 14:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-08 14:26     ` Andres Freund
2014-04-08 14:26       ` Andres Freund
     [not found]     ` <WM!ea1193ee171854a74828ee30c859d97ff2ce66405ffa3a0b8c31a1233c6a0b55530cdf3cbfcd989c0ec18fef1d533f81!@asav-3.01.com>
2014-04-08 14:46       ` Josh Berkus
2014-04-08 14:46         ` Josh Berkus
2014-04-08 19:53     ` Robert Haas
2014-04-08 19:53       ` Robert Haas
     [not found]       ` <WM!55d2a092da9f6180473043487a4eb612ae8195f78d2ffdd83f673ed5cb2cb9659cf61e0c8d5bae23f5c914057bcd2ee4!@asav-3.01.com>
2014-04-08 19:56         ` Josh Berkus
2014-04-08 19:56           ` Josh Berkus
2014-04-09 13:08           ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2014-04-09 13:08             ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-08 22:58       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-08 22:58         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-08 23:26         ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-08 23:26           ` Mel Gorman
2014-04-10 10:26         ` Jeremy Harris
2014-04-10 10:26           ` Jeremy Harris
2014-04-18 15:49 ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-18 15:49   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-18 16:44   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-04-18 16:44     ` Christoph Lameter

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