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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@hack.frob.com>,
	Carlos ODonell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/3] rtmutex: Add missing deadlock check
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 17:12:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140514001235.GB18164@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140513195336.232bad54@gandalf.local.home>

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 07:53:36PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2014 16:27:11 -0700
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 06:44:30PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 May 2014 15:00:09 -0700
> > > "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Good points -- I was indeed thinking about stress testing instead of
> > > > algorithmic testing.
> > > 
> > > But doesn't lockdep use algorithmic tests too?
> > 
> > I suppose you could argue that there is no such thing as non-algorithmic
> > testing, given that all test code uses an algorithm of some sort.  Perhaps
> > with the exception of letting your pet walk across the keyboard.  ;-)
> > 
> > Perhaps I should have instead said that I was thinking about random
> > testing instead of formal testing?
> 
> Actually it still applies, but I was mistaken, it's not lockdep itself,
> it's the LOCKING_API_SELFTESTS. They are a form of formal testing as
> suppose to random testing.
> 
> See lib/locking-selftest.c.
> 
> That looks more like something we can do for the rtmutex code, or even
> add to it.

Ah, got it!  That could work, though I would be tempted to try
automatically generating the C code/tables/whatever from some behavioral
specification.  Of course, there is always the speculation about how I
might feel about that approach after giving into such temptation...  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-14  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 20:45 [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 1/3] rtmutex: Add missing deadlock check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13  5:51   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-05-13  8:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13  8:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 16:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 19:42       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 20:20         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 20:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 21:27             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 22:00               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 22:44                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 23:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 23:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-14  0:12                       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-05-14  6:54                       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                         ` <CAGChsmO9GO1Z2VBbw7uLtTXpYowdoUQbK8C3=Dt2jtGAnc6D2A@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-14 13:33                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14  6:42                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 12:59     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 2/3] futex: Add another early deadlock detection check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22   ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 3/3] futex: Prevent attaching to kernel threads Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-12 21:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:59   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-12 22:18     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22   ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:37 ` [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 21:52   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 22:08     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 22:37       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 23:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13  6:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-05-13  3:54 ` Darren Hart
2014-05-13  9:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14  7:06     ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 10:26       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 20:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 22:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-15  7:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15  8:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:21             ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14  6:58   ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14  9:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 21:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 23:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:54           ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-15  8:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:14           ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14  9:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 10:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 10:28         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:55           ` Carlos O'Donell

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