From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
Cc: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Roland McGrath <roland@hack.frob.com>,
Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 11:22:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140514092203.GE30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <537313FD.4000306@redhat.com>
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On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 02:58:05AM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> >> The handling of -EDEADLOCK is even more impressive. Instead of
> >> propagating it to the caller something in the guts of glibc calls pause().
> >>
> >> futex(0x601300, FUTEX_LOCK_PI_PRIVATE, 1) = -1 EDEADLK (Resource deadlock avoided)
> >> pause(
> >>
> >
> > Gotta love comments like these though - such trust!:
> >
> > /* The mutex is locked. The kernel will now take care of
> > everything. */
> >
> > IIRC, glibc takes the approach that if this operation fails, there is no way for
> > it to recovery "properly", and so it chooses to:
> >
> > /* Delay the thread indefinitely. */
> >
> > I believe the thinking goes that if we get to here, then the lock is in an
> > inconsistent state (between kernel and userspace). I don't have an answer for
> > why pausing forever would be preferable to returning an error however...
>
> What error would we return?
EDEADLK is a valid user return for pthread_mutex_lock() as per:
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/pthread_mutex_lock.html
> This particular case is a serious error for which we have no good error code
> to return to userspace. It's an implementation defect, a bug, we should probably
> assert instead of pausing.
No, its perfectly fine to have a lock sequence abort with -EDEADLK.
Userspace should release its locks and re-attempt.
You can implement usable locking schemes using this error, like
wound/wait locking.
> We can't cancel the stuck thread because pthread_mutex_lock is not a cancellation
> point.
>
> In practice the rest of the application can make forward progress with a single
> thread stuck. You can attach the debugger and inspect state, so it's useful
> from that perspective.
That's just totally braindead. Return EDEADLK to userspace already, let
the user deal with it.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-14 9:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-12 20:45 [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 1/3] rtmutex: Add missing deadlock check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 5:51 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-05-13 8:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 8:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 16:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 19:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 20:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 21:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 22:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 22:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 23:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-13 23:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-14 0:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14 6:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
[not found] ` <CAGChsmO9GO1Z2VBbw7uLtTXpYowdoUQbK8C3=Dt2jtGAnc6D2A@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-14 13:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 6:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 12:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 2/3] futex: Add another early deadlock detection check Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22 ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:45 ` [patch 3/3] futex: Prevent attaching to kernel threads Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 20:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-12 21:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:59 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-12 22:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-19 12:22 ` [tip:core/urgent] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 21:37 ` [patch 0/3] futex/rtmutex: Fix issues exposed by trinity Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 21:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 22:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-12 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-12 23:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 6:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-05-13 3:54 ` Darren Hart
2014-05-13 9:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 7:06 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 10:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 20:59 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 22:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-15 7:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-15 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:21 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 6:58 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 9:22 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-05-14 21:17 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 23:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:54 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-15 8:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-16 18:14 ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-05-14 9:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 10:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-14 10:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-16 17:55 ` Carlos O'Donell
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