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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	John David Anglin <dave.anglin@bell.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	jejb@parisc-linux.org, deller@gmx.de,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chegu_vinod@hp.com, Waiman.Long@hp.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	riel@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, davidlohr@hp.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, andi@firstfloor.org, aswin@hp.com,
	scott.norton@hp.com, Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix a race condition in cancelable mcs spinlocks
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 09:39:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140602163935.GR22231@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1406021146030.20627@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>

On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:57:14AM -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2014, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 05:19:39AM -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 1 Jun 2014, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2014 at 04:46:26PM -0400, John David Anglin wrote:
> > > > > On 1-Jun-14, at 3:20 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>If you write to some variable with ACCESS_ONCE and use cmpxchg or xchg
> > > > > >>at
> > > > > >>the same time, you break it. ACCESS_ONCE doesn't take the hashed
> > > > > >>spinlock,
> > > > > >>so, in this case, cmpxchg or xchg isn't really atomic at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And this is really the first place in the kernel that breaks like this?
> > > > > >I've been using xchg() and cmpxchg() without such consideration for
> > > > > >quite a while.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe Mikulas is correct.  Even in a controlled situation where a
> > > > > cmpxchg operation
> > > > > is used to implement pthread_spin_lock() in userspace, we found recently
> > > > > that the lock
> > > > > must be released with a  cmpxchg operation and not a simple write on SMP
> > > > > systems.
> > > > > There is a race in the cache operations or instruction ordering that's not
> > > > > present with
> > > > > the ldcw instruction.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, I'm not arguing that. He's quite right that its broken, but this
> > > > form of atomic ops is also quite insane and unusual. Most sane machines
> > > > don't have this problem.
> > > > 
> > > > My main concern is how are we going to avoid breaking parisc (and I
> > > > think sparc32, which is similarly retarded) in the future; we should
> > > > invest in machinery to find and detect these things.
> > > 
> > > Grep the kernel for "\<xchg\>" and "\<cmpxchg\>" and replace them with 
> > > atomic types and atomic access functions.
> > 
> > Not so good for pointers, though.  Defeats type-checking, for one thing.
> > An example of this is use of xchg() for atomically enqueuing RCU callbacks
> > in kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h.
> > 
> > I still like the idea of PA-RISC's compiler implementing ACCESS_ONCE()
> > as needed to make things work on that architecture.
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> We can perform some preprocessor tricks to check the pointer type. See my 
> next patch that adds type checking - you declare the variable with
> 
> 	atomic_pointer(struct optimistic_spin_queue *) next;
> 
> and the pointer type is checked on all atomic operations involving this 
> variable.

The special handling of ACCESS_ONCE() on architectures needing it is
way better than this sort of modification, from what I can see.

> The problem with ACCESS_ONCE is that people omit it. There's plenty of 
> places in the kernel where ACCESS_ONCE should be used and isn't 
> (i_size_read, i_size_write, rt_mutex_is_locked...). Nothing really forces 
> people to write the code correctly and use it.

Well, that would be another thing to add to the compiler modification,
have it check for a variable passed to xchg() or cmpxchg() and assigned
without the benefit of ACCESS_ONCE().  Of course, there will be false
positives, such as non-atomic assignments during initialization and
cleanup that cannot race with xchg() or cmpxchg().  Also cases where
all the xchg() and cmpxchg() are done under a lock, so that normal
assignments under that lock are OK.

Alternatively, perhaps a coccinelle script or change to sparse, smatch,
or whatever could help here.

> atomic_pointer (and other atomic types) have the advantage that they force 
> people to use the atomic functions to access them. If you read or write to 
> the variable directly, it won't compile.

Including the safe uses of normal assignment called out above?

> I think the best solution is to wrap the critical pointers with 
> atomic_pointer(pointer_type *) and let the compiler report errors on all 
> places where it is used unsafely.

I understand that you like this approach, but I am not at all convinced.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-02 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-01 17:53 [PATCH] fix a race condition in cancelable mcs spinlocks Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-01 19:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-01 20:46   ` John David Anglin
2014-06-01 21:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-01 21:46       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02  9:19       ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 13:24         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 15:57           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 16:39             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-06-02 19:56       ` James Bottomley
2014-06-03  7:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 12:53           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 13:58     ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 14:02       ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 15:39         ` John David Anglin
2014-06-02 10:34   ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 14:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 15:27   ` Jason Low
2014-06-02 16:00 ` [PATCH v2] introduce atomic_pointer to " Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 16:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 16:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 16:46       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 17:33       ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 20:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 20:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 21:02             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 21:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 22:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 22:44                   ` Eric Dumazet
2014-06-02 23:17                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 23:53                       ` Eric Dumazet
2014-06-03  0:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 22:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-03 16:48                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-03  7:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 20:24           ` James Bottomley
2014-06-02 16:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 17:14       ` James Bottomley
2014-06-02 17:29       ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 17:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 17:12       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-06-02 17:42         ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 20:46       ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 20:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 21:12           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-03  7:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 11:14               ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-03 13:24                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 14:18                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-03 14:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-03 15:09                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:56                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-03  7:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 21:03       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-06 15:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 15:15         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-06 15:42         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-06-02 16:50   ` Jason Low
2014-06-02 17:03     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 17:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 17:38       ` H. Peter Anvin

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