From: maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com (Maxime Ripard)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] Documentation: dmaengine: Add a documentation for the dma controller API
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:23:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140731162330.GE3952@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140731115628.GQ8181@intel.com>
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:26:28PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:44:40AM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > Hi Vinod,
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 09:36:07PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 06:03:13PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > > The dmaengine is neither trivial nor properly documented at the moment, which
> > > > means a lot of trial and error development, which is not that good for such a
> > > > central piece of the system.
> > > >
> > > > Attempt at making such a documentation.
> > >
> > > Did you miss Documentation/dmaengine.txt, lots of this is already covered
> > > there. But yes i would be really glad to know what isnt, so that we can fix
> > > that.
> >
> > I didn't miss it. But I feel like it describes quite nicely the slave
> > API, but doesn't help at all whenever you're writing a DMAengine driver.
> >
> > The first lines of the existing document makes it quite clear too.
> >
> > There's still a bit of duplication, but I don't feel it's such a big
> > deal.
> And that made me think that you might have missed it.
>
> I am okay for idea to have this document but it needs to co-exist one. No
> point in duplicating as it can create ambiguity in future.
The only duplication I'm seeing is about the device_prep* operations,
that get described in dmaengine.txt too.
There's also a minor one about struct dma_slave_config, but both are
rather generic and point to dmaengine.h, so I guess we won't be at
risk of any real ambiguity.
Do you see anything else?
> > What I'd like to do with the documentation I just sent is basically
> > have a clear idea whenever you step into dmaengine what you can/cannot
> > do, and have a reference document explaining what's expected by the
> > framework, and hopefully have unified drivers that follow this
> > pattern.
> Sure, can you pls modify this to avoid duplication. I would be happy to
> apply that :)
See above :)
Also, feel free to add anything that you feel like you keep saying
during the review. If mistakes keep coming, it's probably worth
documenting what you expect.
> > Because, for the moment, we're pretty much left in the dark with
> > different drivers doing the same thing in completetely different ways,
> > with basically no way to tell if it's either the framework that
> > requires such behaviour, or if the author was just feeling creative.
> >
> > There's numerous examples for this at the moment:
> > - The GFP flags, with different drivers using either GFP_ATOMIC,
> > GFP_NOWAIT or GFP_KERNEL in the same functions
> > - Having to set device_slave_caps or not?
> > - Some drivers use dma_run_depedencies, some other don't
> > - That might just be my experience, but judging from previous
> > commits, DMA_PRIVATE is completely obscure, and we just set it
> > because it was making it work, without knowing what it was
> > supposed to do.
> > - etc.
>
> Thanks for highlighting we should definitely add these in Documentation
It's quite clear in the case of the GFP flags now, Lars-Peter and you
cleared up device_slave_caps, but I still could use some help with
DMA_PRIVATE.
> > And basically, we have no way to tell at the moment which one is
> > right and which one needs fixing.
> >
> > The corollary being that it cripples the whole community ability to
> > maintain the framework and make it evolve.
> >
> > > > + * device_slave_caps
> > > > + - Isn't that redundant with the cap_mask already?
> > > > + - Only a few drivers seem to implement it
> > > For audio to know what your channel can do rather than hardcoding it
> >
> > Ah, yes, I see it now. It's not related to the caps mask at all.
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be better to move this to the
> > framework, and have these informations provided through the struct
> > dma_device? Or would it have some non-trivial side-effects?
> Well the problem is ability to have this queried uniformly from all drivers
> across subsystems. If we can do this that would be nice.
I can work on some premelinary work to do just that, and see if it
works for you then.
> > > > + * dma cookies?
> > > cookie is dma transaction representation which is monotonically incrementing
> > > number.
> >
> > Ok, and it identifies a unique dma_async_tx_descriptor, right?
> Yup and this basically represents transactions you have submitted. Thats why
> cookie is allocated at tx_submit.
Ok, thanks.
Maxime
--
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com>
To: Vinod Koul <vinod.koul@intel.com>
Cc: "Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, dmaengine@vger.kernel.org,
"Russell King" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Antoine Ténart" <antoine@free-electrons.com>,
"Thomas Petazzoni" <thomas@free-electrons.com>,
"Alexandre Belloni" <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
"Boris Brezillon" <boris@free-electrons.com>,
"Matt Porter" <matt.porter@linaro.org>,
laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com, ludovic.desroches@atmel.com,
"Gregory Clement" <gregory.clement@free-electrons.com>,
"Nicolas Ferre" <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: dmaengine: Add a documentation for the dma controller API
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:23:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140731162330.GE3952@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140731115628.GQ8181@intel.com>
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:26:28PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:44:40AM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > Hi Vinod,
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 09:36:07PM +0530, Vinod Koul wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 06:03:13PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > > The dmaengine is neither trivial nor properly documented at the moment, which
> > > > means a lot of trial and error development, which is not that good for such a
> > > > central piece of the system.
> > > >
> > > > Attempt at making such a documentation.
> > >
> > > Did you miss Documentation/dmaengine.txt, lots of this is already covered
> > > there. But yes i would be really glad to know what isnt, so that we can fix
> > > that.
> >
> > I didn't miss it. But I feel like it describes quite nicely the slave
> > API, but doesn't help at all whenever you're writing a DMAengine driver.
> >
> > The first lines of the existing document makes it quite clear too.
> >
> > There's still a bit of duplication, but I don't feel it's such a big
> > deal.
> And that made me think that you might have missed it.
>
> I am okay for idea to have this document but it needs to co-exist one. No
> point in duplicating as it can create ambiguity in future.
The only duplication I'm seeing is about the device_prep* operations,
that get described in dmaengine.txt too.
There's also a minor one about struct dma_slave_config, but both are
rather generic and point to dmaengine.h, so I guess we won't be at
risk of any real ambiguity.
Do you see anything else?
> > What I'd like to do with the documentation I just sent is basically
> > have a clear idea whenever you step into dmaengine what you can/cannot
> > do, and have a reference document explaining what's expected by the
> > framework, and hopefully have unified drivers that follow this
> > pattern.
> Sure, can you pls modify this to avoid duplication. I would be happy to
> apply that :)
See above :)
Also, feel free to add anything that you feel like you keep saying
during the review. If mistakes keep coming, it's probably worth
documenting what you expect.
> > Because, for the moment, we're pretty much left in the dark with
> > different drivers doing the same thing in completetely different ways,
> > with basically no way to tell if it's either the framework that
> > requires such behaviour, or if the author was just feeling creative.
> >
> > There's numerous examples for this at the moment:
> > - The GFP flags, with different drivers using either GFP_ATOMIC,
> > GFP_NOWAIT or GFP_KERNEL in the same functions
> > - Having to set device_slave_caps or not?
> > - Some drivers use dma_run_depedencies, some other don't
> > - That might just be my experience, but judging from previous
> > commits, DMA_PRIVATE is completely obscure, and we just set it
> > because it was making it work, without knowing what it was
> > supposed to do.
> > - etc.
>
> Thanks for highlighting we should definitely add these in Documentation
It's quite clear in the case of the GFP flags now, Lars-Peter and you
cleared up device_slave_caps, but I still could use some help with
DMA_PRIVATE.
> > And basically, we have no way to tell at the moment which one is
> > right and which one needs fixing.
> >
> > The corollary being that it cripples the whole community ability to
> > maintain the framework and make it evolve.
> >
> > > > + * device_slave_caps
> > > > + - Isn't that redundant with the cap_mask already?
> > > > + - Only a few drivers seem to implement it
> > > For audio to know what your channel can do rather than hardcoding it
> >
> > Ah, yes, I see it now. It's not related to the caps mask at all.
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be better to move this to the
> > framework, and have these informations provided through the struct
> > dma_device? Or would it have some non-trivial side-effects?
> Well the problem is ability to have this queried uniformly from all drivers
> across subsystems. If we can do this that would be nice.
I can work on some premelinary work to do just that, and see if it
works for you then.
> > > > + * dma cookies?
> > > cookie is dma transaction representation which is monotonically incrementing
> > > number.
> >
> > Ok, and it identifies a unique dma_async_tx_descriptor, right?
> Yup and this basically represents transactions you have submitted. Thats why
> cookie is allocated at tx_submit.
Ok, thanks.
Maxime
--
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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2014-07-30 16:03 [PATCH] Documentation: dmaengine: Add a documentation for the dma controller API Maxime Ripard
2014-07-30 16:03 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-30 16:06 ` Vinod Koul
2014-07-30 16:06 ` Vinod Koul
2014-07-31 7:44 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-31 7:44 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-31 11:56 ` Vinod Koul
2014-07-31 11:56 ` Vinod Koul
2014-07-31 16:23 ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2014-07-31 16:23 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-01 17:13 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-01 17:13 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-02 14:49 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 14:49 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 15:17 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-02 15:17 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-02 19:06 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 19:06 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-05 16:25 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-05 16:25 ` Vinod Koul
2014-07-31 12:44 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-07-31 12:44 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-07-31 16:13 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-31 16:13 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-31 16:54 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-07-31 16:54 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-07-31 17:37 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-31 17:37 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-01 8:00 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-08-01 8:00 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-08-01 8:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-01 8:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-01 17:15 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-01 17:15 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-01 18:09 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-08-01 18:09 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-08-02 15:13 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 15:13 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-04 7:16 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-08-04 7:16 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2014-07-31 13:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-07-31 13:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-07-31 16:41 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-07-31 16:41 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-01 14:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-01 14:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-02 15:11 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 15:11 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 15:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-02 15:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-02 19:05 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-02 19:05 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-01 17:22 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-01 17:22 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-05 8:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-08-05 8:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-08-14 8:53 ` Ludovic Desroches
2014-08-14 8:53 ` Ludovic Desroches
2014-08-14 8:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-14 8:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-19 13:45 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-19 13:45 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-19 14:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-19 14:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-19 14:57 ` Vinod Koul
2014-08-19 14:57 ` Vinod Koul
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