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From: maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com (Maxime Ripard)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Formal license ambiguity in arch/arm/boot/dts/sun?i-a*.dts
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:27:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140902122716.GV15297@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140902104002.GN30401@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:40:02AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 12:22:06PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > Hi Russell,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 10:23:17PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 09:25:10PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 07:59:27PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > > > I would actually prefer if we could migrate a lot of these files to BSD license,
> > > > > > provided the original authors agree. We want the dtb blobs to be embeddable into
> > > > > > boot loaders of any license.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Even though I'd be open to having my contributions to DTBs under the
> > > > > BSD, is this really a thing?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I mean, for all I know, an OS/Bootloader would just parse a documented
> > > > > binary file, and I don't see any derivative work there.
> > > > 
> > > > How does the OS/Bootloader end up with that binary file?
> > > > 
> > > > For the sake of argument, let's say that the BSDs want to move to DT on
> > > > ARM.  Great, they convert over to parsing our DT blobs.
> > > > 
> > > > However, they can't distribute the binary DT blobs to their users without
> > > > coming up against the problems of the GPL wrt binary distribution.
> > > > 
> > > > They could distribute the source files, but remember that many of those
> > > > are currently GPL licensed, so they'd probably end up having to package
> > > > them entirely separately, if they're willing to do that at all.
> > > > 
> > > > Or they could decide to ignore us altogether, and do their own DT stuff,
> > > > maybe partially implementing our properties, or maybe coming up with
> > > > different and/or incompatible properties - which would be bad because
> > > > we now end up with two ways to describe the same hardware in active use.
> > > > 
> > > > I suspect the final option is the one they'd choose, and it's in our
> > > > interest that _that_ doesn't happen.
> > > 
> > > Ah, yes, it's not really about a fear of a GPL-spread, but rather a
> > > concern about the source distribution. Makes sense.
> > > 
> > > How should we deal with such relicensing?
> > 
> > Ping?
> > 
> > Are we doing this on a per platform basis? Should we enforce this dual
> > licensing for the future DTS patches? If so, starting from when?
> 
> I have no answers to your questions - I put the question a number of
> times to Grant directly, and have been totally ignored.
> 
> So, I think we just do whatever we think is the correct approach.
> 
> Remember, when you change the licensing on something which has had
> multiple contributors, you need to seek the permission from everyone
> how contributed to it - so it will have to be done on a per platform
> and per-SoC basis.

Ack.

> I would also strongly suggest that future DTS files should be dual
> licensed from the start, and that we require contributions for the
> DTS files to be under both licenses.

So I guess like Chen-Yu suggested that we should change the license of
the DTSI first, and then the DTS. Otherwise, it wouldn't work very
well, I guess you can't really relicense a GPL-only file.

Thanks!
Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
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	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Karsten Merker <merker-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Formal license ambiguity in arch/arm/boot/dts/sun?i-a*.dts
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:27:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140902122716.GV15297@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140902104002.GN30401-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>

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On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:40:02AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 12:22:06PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > Hi Russell,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 10:23:17PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 09:25:10PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 07:59:27PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > > > I would actually prefer if we could migrate a lot of these files to BSD license,
> > > > > > provided the original authors agree. We want the dtb blobs to be embeddable into
> > > > > > boot loaders of any license.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Even though I'd be open to having my contributions to DTBs under the
> > > > > BSD, is this really a thing?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I mean, for all I know, an OS/Bootloader would just parse a documented
> > > > > binary file, and I don't see any derivative work there.
> > > > 
> > > > How does the OS/Bootloader end up with that binary file?
> > > > 
> > > > For the sake of argument, let's say that the BSDs want to move to DT on
> > > > ARM.  Great, they convert over to parsing our DT blobs.
> > > > 
> > > > However, they can't distribute the binary DT blobs to their users without
> > > > coming up against the problems of the GPL wrt binary distribution.
> > > > 
> > > > They could distribute the source files, but remember that many of those
> > > > are currently GPL licensed, so they'd probably end up having to package
> > > > them entirely separately, if they're willing to do that at all.
> > > > 
> > > > Or they could decide to ignore us altogether, and do their own DT stuff,
> > > > maybe partially implementing our properties, or maybe coming up with
> > > > different and/or incompatible properties - which would be bad because
> > > > we now end up with two ways to describe the same hardware in active use.
> > > > 
> > > > I suspect the final option is the one they'd choose, and it's in our
> > > > interest that _that_ doesn't happen.
> > > 
> > > Ah, yes, it's not really about a fear of a GPL-spread, but rather a
> > > concern about the source distribution. Makes sense.
> > > 
> > > How should we deal with such relicensing?
> > 
> > Ping?
> > 
> > Are we doing this on a per platform basis? Should we enforce this dual
> > licensing for the future DTS patches? If so, starting from when?
> 
> I have no answers to your questions - I put the question a number of
> times to Grant directly, and have been totally ignored.
> 
> So, I think we just do whatever we think is the correct approach.
> 
> Remember, when you change the licensing on something which has had
> multiple contributors, you need to seek the permission from everyone
> how contributed to it - so it will have to be done on a per platform
> and per-SoC basis.

Ack.

> I would also strongly suggest that future DTS files should be dual
> licensed from the start, and that we require contributions for the
> DTS files to be under both licenses.

So I guess like Chen-Yu suggested that we should change the license of
the DTSI first, and then the DTS. Otherwise, it wouldn't work very
well, I guess you can't really relicense a GPL-only file.

Thanks!
Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-02 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-31 19:20 Formal license ambiguity in arch/arm/boot/dts/sun?i-a*.dts Karsten Merker
2014-07-31 19:20 ` Karsten Merker
2014-08-03 13:04 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-03 13:04   ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-03 17:59   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-03 17:59     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-04 19:25     ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-04 19:25       ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-04 21:23       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-04 21:23         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-05  8:06         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-05  8:06           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-07 13:20         ` Maxime Ripard
2014-08-07 13:20           ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 10:22           ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 10:22             ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 10:40             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 10:40               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 11:54               ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2014-09-02 11:54                 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2014-09-02 12:27               ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2014-09-02 12:27                 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 12:35                 ` Hans de Goede
2014-09-02 12:35                   ` Hans de Goede
2014-09-02 12:51                   ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 12:51                     ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 13:02                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 13:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 13:37                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 13:37                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 16:52                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 16:52                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 14:42                     ` Hans de Goede
2014-09-02 14:42                       ` Hans de Goede
2014-09-02 15:18                       ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 15:18                         ` Maxime Ripard
2014-09-02 16:24                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02 16:24                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-05  8:01       ` Hans de Goede
2014-08-05  8:01         ` Hans de Goede
2014-08-05  8:02       ` Hans de Goede
2014-08-05  8:02         ` Hans de Goede
2014-08-03 20:41   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-08-03 20:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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