* Removed from eudyptula challenge
2014-09-19 19:05 Removed from eudyptula challenge Jeshwanth Kumar N K
@ 2014-09-19 21:13 ` Amber Thrall
2014-09-20 2:16 ` Peter Teoh
2014-09-20 9:55 ` Martin Kepplinger
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From: Amber Thrall @ 2014-09-19 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernelnewbies
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 12:35:19AM +0530, Jeshwanth Kumar N K wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Today I was asking some suggestions in IRC for my eudyptula challenge
> (indirectly, because working for it for 1 month). So I am removed from the
> challenge now.
>
> So, who all doing the challenge please do everything yourself by reading
> the docs, kernel codes or ask little directly. Because, you will feel
> really bad after removing from challenge, anyway my mistake, I shouldn't
> have break the integrity.
>
> And my mistake was I thought I am smart in asking questions and nobody will
> get doubt :). So don't do that :).
>
> --
> Regards
> Jeshwanth Kumar N K
They clearly state to not ask for help on mailing lists or IRC. But I
totally understand the urge too, I've been stuck on a task for quite a
few days and have had to resist the urge to ask for help (other than
little of course).
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* Removed from eudyptula challenge
2014-09-19 19:05 Removed from eudyptula challenge Jeshwanth Kumar N K
2014-09-19 21:13 ` Amber Thrall
@ 2014-09-20 2:16 ` Peter Teoh
2014-09-20 5:08 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2014-09-20 9:55 ` Martin Kepplinger
2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Teoh @ 2014-09-20 2:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernelnewbies
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Jeshwanth Kumar N K <jeshkumar555@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Today I was asking some suggestions in IRC for my eudyptula challenge
> (indirectly, because working for it for 1 month). So I am removed from the
> challenge now.
>
> So, who all doing the challenge please do everything yourself by reading
> the docs, kernel codes or ask little directly. Because, you will feel
> really bad after removing from challenge, anyway my mistake, I shouldn't
> have break the integrity.
>
> And my mistake was I thought I am smart in asking questions and nobody
> will get doubt :). So don't do that :).
>
>
Does not matter, the aim of the whole thing is to learn, and to learn u
either search, read, discuss, or ask. Not to solve the problem as the
ultimate aim. Internet has tons of resources to learn true, but we always
want to do targetted learning, to solve narrow range of problems, and in
the fastest, more efficient way. ASK!
And like Newton said, his knowledge is built on top of the shoulders of
other giants. So please ask, and help value add to others knowledge, and
solving Eudyptula Challenge COMPLETELY DOES NOT ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, because
everything is hidden and shrouded in secrecy.
Just my 2cts....
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* Removed from eudyptula challenge
2014-09-20 2:16 ` Peter Teoh
@ 2014-09-20 5:08 ` Sudip Mukherjee
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From: Sudip Mukherjee @ 2014-09-20 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernelnewbies
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Peter Teoh <htmldeveloper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Jeshwanth Kumar N K
> <jeshkumar555@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
> Does not matter, the aim of the whole thing is to learn, and to learn u
> either search, read, discuss, or ask. Not to solve the problem as the
> ultimate aim. Internet has tons of resources to learn true, but we always
> want to do targetted learning, to solve narrow range of problems, and in the
> fastest, more efficient way. ASK!
>
if we just ask for each problem then we will just go on asking for all
next problems .
My personal opinion , first we must try ourselves , then even after
trying if we are not able to do it then we have to ask for some hint.
for one of the task of the challenge , i have taken almost 2 months to
complete it , and i am satisfied of the fact that ultimately i have
done it by myself (little will always give some hint in his mails) .
> And like Newton said, his knowledge is built on top of the shoulders of
> other giants. So please ask, and help value add to others knowledge, and
> solving Eudyptula Challenge COMPLETELY DOES NOT ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, because
> everything is hidden and shrouded in secrecy.
>
I believe Eudyptula Challenge is just the starting point where we
learn how to do ..
and doing the tasks by yourself makes you understand why you are doing
that .. and also while doing the tasks yourself we need to read
through the documentation , see how other driver codes are doing the
same thing ..
it has happened to me many times , that after reading the
documentation and other driver codes , i found out that the approach
was wrong , so again i had to start from the beginning.
But the positive side of that failure : i gained the knowledge.
> Just my 2cts....
>
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* Removed from eudyptula challenge
2014-09-19 19:05 Removed from eudyptula challenge Jeshwanth Kumar N K
2014-09-19 21:13 ` Amber Thrall
2014-09-20 2:16 ` Peter Teoh
@ 2014-09-20 9:55 ` Martin Kepplinger
2014-09-20 16:07 ` Jeshwanth Kumar N K
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From: Martin Kepplinger @ 2014-09-20 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernelnewbies
Am 2014-09-19 21:05, schrieb Jeshwanth Kumar N K:
> Hello,
>
> Today I was asking some suggestions in IRC for my eudyptula challenge
> (indirectly, because working for it for 1 month). So I am removed from
> the challenge now.
>
> So, who all doing the challenge please do everything yourself by reading
> the docs, kernel codes or ask little directly. Because, you will feel
> really bad after removing from challenge, anyway my mistake, I shouldn't
> have break the integrity.
>
> And my mistake was I thought I am smart in asking questions and nobody
> will get doubt :). So don't do that :).
>
I'm stuck at a task now for _months_ (but because of no time for it) and
really hope the challenge, little, to continue. That's because patience
has been key for previous tasks, and I love to not-fear that the
challenge may go away. Have patience and take time to enjoy every task!
It's insanely awesome of him / the people to run the callenge and it
sucks that they, now, need to go after people who don't follow the
rules. Nobody is forced to take the challenge.
The challenge is for _free_ (!) and you can _really_ get a lot out of
it, if you simply follow the rules and respect what you have in front of
you, like a normal grown-up. That's what I think when I read about
people trying to ask and cheat anytime, not you in particular.
Depending on how far you have come, I'm sorry you can't continue. Don't
try to trick anybody. _If_ this was a one-time-thing you regret and you
honestly and quietly want to continue, maybe, ask one last time, give
reasons. Starting over "anonymously" somehow wouldnt really make you
happy, be honest. And little would find out anyways.
I know I would hate to be removed, that's motivation enough to stick to
my kerneltree and search basic stuff ;)
I hope little has fun and finds ways to reduce his own challenge-related
workload while being able to keep the challenge alive.
thanks,
martin
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2014-09-20 9:55 ` Martin Kepplinger
@ 2014-09-20 16:07 ` Jeshwanth Kumar N K
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From: Jeshwanth Kumar N K @ 2014-09-20 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernelnewbies
Hi,
I just shared this info with kernelnewbies who taken eudyptula challenge
not to ask anything in public :). May be learning for others :).
May be I loved too much this challenge, today the phrase "You removed from
challenge" was always flashing in my mind, thats made me really sad.
Thanks little for everything (I can't reach him directly), you made my
dream come true "Sending first patch to linux kernel". Hope I will continue
learning and contribute to the community whenever I am capable of :).
Thanks
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Martin Kepplinger <martink@posteo.de>
wrote:
> Am 2014-09-19 21:05, schrieb Jeshwanth Kumar N K:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Today I was asking some suggestions in IRC for my eudyptula challenge
> > (indirectly, because working for it for 1 month). So I am removed from
> > the challenge now.
> >
> > So, who all doing the challenge please do everything yourself by reading
> > the docs, kernel codes or ask little directly. Because, you will feel
> > really bad after removing from challenge, anyway my mistake, I shouldn't
> > have break the integrity.
> >
> > And my mistake was I thought I am smart in asking questions and nobody
> > will get doubt :). So don't do that :).
> >
>
> I'm stuck at a task now for _months_ (but because of no time for it) and
> really hope the challenge, little, to continue. That's because patience
> has been key for previous tasks, and I love to not-fear that the
> challenge may go away. Have patience and take time to enjoy every task!
>
> It's insanely awesome of him / the people to run the callenge and it
> sucks that they, now, need to go after people who don't follow the
> rules. Nobody is forced to take the challenge.
>
> The challenge is for _free_ (!) and you can _really_ get a lot out of
> it, if you simply follow the rules and respect what you have in front of
> you, like a normal grown-up. That's what I think when I read about
> people trying to ask and cheat anytime, not you in particular.
>
> Depending on how far you have come, I'm sorry you can't continue. Don't
> try to trick anybody. _If_ this was a one-time-thing you regret and you
> honestly and quietly want to continue, maybe, ask one last time, give
> reasons. Starting over "anonymously" somehow wouldnt really make you
> happy, be honest. And little would find out anyways.
>
> I know I would hate to be removed, that's motivation enough to stick to
> my kerneltree and search basic stuff ;)
>
> I hope little has fun and finds ways to reduce his own challenge-related
> workload while being able to keep the challenge alive.
>
> thanks,
> martin
>
>
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>
--
Regards
Jeshwanth Kumar N K
Bangalore, India
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