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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Aneesh Kumar <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	LinuxPPC-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:35:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141121093506.GV2725@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwV80r66w4RmtY-MAUGkwmfBJe+C5KFD3ZnNgYb_KbBpQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:54:06AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > This is a preparatory patch that introduces protnone helpers for automatic
> > NUMA balancing.
> 
> Oh, I hadn't noticed that you had renamed these things. It was
> probably already true in your V1 version.
> 
> I do *not* think that "pte_protnone_numa()" makes sense as a name. It
> only confuses people to think that there is still/again something
> NUMA-special about the PTE. The whole point of the protnone changes
> was to make it really very very clear that from a hardware standpoint,
> this is *exactly* about protnone, and nothing else.
> 
> The fact that we then use protnone PTE's for numa faults is a VM
> internal issue, it should *not* show up in the architecture page table
> helpers.
> 
> I'm not NAK'ing this name, but I really think it's a very important
> part of the whole patch series - to stop the stupid confusion about
> NUMA entries. As far as the page tables are concerned, this has
> absolutely _zero_ to do with NUMA.
> 
> We made that mistake once. We're fixing it. Let the naming *show* that
> it's fixed, and this is "pte_protnone()".
> 
> The places that use this for NUMA handling might have a comment or
> something. But they'll be in the VM where this matters, not in the
> architecture page table description files. The comment would be
> something like "if the vma is accessible, but the PTE is marked
> protnone, this is a autonuma entry".
> 

I feared that people would eventually make the mistake of thinking that
pte_protnone() would return true for PROT_NONE VMAs that do *not* have
the page table bit set. I'll use the old name as you suggest and expand
the comment. It'll be in v3.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LinuxPPC-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Aneesh Kumar <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:35:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141121093506.GV2725@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwV80r66w4RmtY-MAUGkwmfBJe+C5KFD3ZnNgYb_KbBpQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:54:06AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > This is a preparatory patch that introduces protnone helpers for automatic
> > NUMA balancing.
> 
> Oh, I hadn't noticed that you had renamed these things. It was
> probably already true in your V1 version.
> 
> I do *not* think that "pte_protnone_numa()" makes sense as a name. It
> only confuses people to think that there is still/again something
> NUMA-special about the PTE. The whole point of the protnone changes
> was to make it really very very clear that from a hardware standpoint,
> this is *exactly* about protnone, and nothing else.
> 
> The fact that we then use protnone PTE's for numa faults is a VM
> internal issue, it should *not* show up in the architecture page table
> helpers.
> 
> I'm not NAK'ing this name, but I really think it's a very important
> part of the whole patch series - to stop the stupid confusion about
> NUMA entries. As far as the page tables are concerned, this has
> absolutely _zero_ to do with NUMA.
> 
> We made that mistake once. We're fixing it. Let the naming *show* that
> it's fixed, and this is "pte_protnone()".
> 
> The places that use this for NUMA handling might have a comment or
> something. But they'll be in the VM where this matters, not in the
> architecture page table description files. The comment would be
> something like "if the vma is accessible, but the PTE is marked
> protnone, this is a autonuma entry".
> 

I feared that people would eventually make the mistake of thinking that
pte_protnone() would return true for PROT_NONE VMAs that do *not* have
the page table bit set. I'll use the old name as you suggest and expand
the comment. It'll be in v3.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LinuxPPC-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Aneesh Kumar <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:35:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141121093506.GV2725@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwV80r66w4RmtY-MAUGkwmfBJe+C5KFD3ZnNgYb_KbBpQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:54:06AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > This is a preparatory patch that introduces protnone helpers for automatic
> > NUMA balancing.
> 
> Oh, I hadn't noticed that you had renamed these things. It was
> probably already true in your V1 version.
> 
> I do *not* think that "pte_protnone_numa()" makes sense as a name. It
> only confuses people to think that there is still/again something
> NUMA-special about the PTE. The whole point of the protnone changes
> was to make it really very very clear that from a hardware standpoint,
> this is *exactly* about protnone, and nothing else.
> 
> The fact that we then use protnone PTE's for numa faults is a VM
> internal issue, it should *not* show up in the architecture page table
> helpers.
> 
> I'm not NAK'ing this name, but I really think it's a very important
> part of the whole patch series - to stop the stupid confusion about
> NUMA entries. As far as the page tables are concerned, this has
> absolutely _zero_ to do with NUMA.
> 
> We made that mistake once. We're fixing it. Let the naming *show* that
> it's fixed, and this is "pte_protnone()".
> 
> The places that use this for NUMA handling might have a comment or
> something. But they'll be in the VM where this matters, not in the
> architecture page table description files. The comment would be
> something like "if the vma is accessible, but the PTE is marked
> protnone, this is a autonuma entry".
> 

I feared that people would eventually make the mistake of thinking that
pte_protnone() would return true for PROT_NONE VMAs that do *not* have
the page table bit set. I'll use the old name as you suggest and expand
the comment. It'll be in v3.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-21  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-20 10:19 [PATCH 0/10] Replace _PAGE_NUMA with PAGE_NONE protections v2 Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: numa: Do not dereference pmd outside of the lock during NUMA hinting fault Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 19:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-20 19:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-20 19:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-21  9:35     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2014-11-21  9:35       ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-21  9:35       ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: Convert p[te|md]_numa users to p[te|md]_protnone_numa Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:38   ` David Laight
2014-11-20 10:38     ` David Laight
2014-11-20 10:38     ` David Laight
2014-11-20 10:47     ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:47       ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:47       ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-21  5:28   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-11-21  5:28     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-11-21  5:28     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 04/10] ppc64: Add paranoid warnings for unexpected DSISR_PROTFAULT Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: Convert p[te|md]_mknonnuma and remaining page table manipulations Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: Remove remaining references to NUMA hinting bits and helpers Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: numa: Do not trap faults on the huge zero page Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 08/10] x86: mm: Restore original pte_special check Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: numa: Add paranoid check around pte_protnone_numa Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: numa: Avoid unnecessary TLB flushes when setting NUMA hinting entries Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 10:19   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-20 21:50 ` [PATCH 0/10] Replace _PAGE_NUMA with PAGE_NONE protections v2 Sasha Levin
2014-11-20 21:50   ` Sasha Levin
2014-11-20 21:50   ` Sasha Levin
2014-11-21  9:31   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-21  9:31     ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-21  9:31     ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-11-21 13:57 [PATCH 0/10] Replace _PAGE_NUMA with PAGE_NONE protections v3 Mel Gorman
2014-11-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing Mel Gorman
2014-11-21 13:57   ` Mel Gorman
2014-11-21 13:57   ` Mel Gorman
2014-12-01 22:38   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-12-01 22:38     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-12-01 22:38     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-12-02 10:12     ` Mel Gorman
2014-12-02 10:12       ` Mel Gorman
2014-12-02 10:12       ` Mel Gorman
2014-12-04 11:24 [PATCH 0/10] Replace _PAGE_NUMA with PAGE_NONE protections v4 Mel Gorman
2014-12-04 11:24 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing Mel Gorman
2014-12-04 11:24   ` Mel Gorman
2014-12-04 11:24   ` Mel Gorman
2015-01-05 10:54 [PATCH 0/10] Replace _PAGE_NUMA with PAGE_NONE protections v5 Mel Gorman
2015-01-05 10:54 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: Add p[te|md] protnone helpers for use by NUMA balancing Mel Gorman
2015-01-05 10:54   ` Mel Gorman
2015-01-05 10:54   ` Mel Gorman

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