From: Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] kernel tinification: optionally compile out splice family of syscalls (splice, vmsplice, tee and sendfile)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 01:00:54 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141124090054.GA20119@thin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdW8gAiyFiPHu-N4Dg_+b6Qg9JXZZ3PqOn=VmZLcEH-Xkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:38:20AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 09:30:40PM +0100, Pieter Smith wrote:
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:43:26AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 01:46:23PM -0500, David Miller wrote:
> >> > > Truly removing sendfile/sendpage means that you can't even compile NFS
> >> > > into the tree.
> >> >
> >> > If you mean the in-kernel nfsd (CONFIG_NFSD), that already has a large
> >> > stack of "select" and "depends on", both directly and indirectly; adding
> >> > a "select SPLICE_SYSCALL" to it seems fine. (That select does need
> >> > adding, though. Pieter, you need to test-compile more than just
> >> > tinyconfig and defconfig. Try an allyesconfig with *just* splice turned
> >> > off, and make sure that compiles.)
> >>
> >> Did exacly that. Took forever on my hardware, but no problems.
> >
> > Ah, I see. Looking more closely at nfsd, it looks like it already has a
> > code path for filesystems that don't do splice. I think, rather than
> > making nfsd select SPLICE_SYSCALL, that it would suffice to change the
> > "rqstp->rq_splice_ok = true;" in svc_process_common (net/sunrpc/svc.c)
> > to:
> >
> > rqstp->rq_splice_ok = IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SPLICE_SYSCALL);
> >
> > Then nfsd should simply *always* fall back to its non-splice support.
>
> Hence I suggest adding to the nfsd help text:
>
> While nfsd works without SPLICE_SYSCALL, you may want to enable
> SPLICE_SYSCALL for <...> (performance?) reasons.
It already seems sufficiently unlikely to enable NFSD while disabling
SPLICE_SYSCALL (in the latter case, turning on EXPERT to do so). It
doesn't seem worth adding such a note to NFSD. At most, I'd say that
NFSD might want a note somewhere in its documentation saying that it
takes advantage of filesystems with splice support if serving files from
one, and if running on a kernel that has splice.
> (Hmm, does Kconfig need a "suggests", cfr. Debian package dependencies?)
Perhaps, though that seems much lower priority than, for instance,
transitive "select".
- Josh Triplett
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Alexei Starovoitov <ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
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Matt Turner <mattst88-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
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"Michael S. Tsirkin"
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Miklos S
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] kernel tinification: optionally compile out splice family of syscalls (splice, vmsplice, tee and sendfile)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 01:00:54 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141124090054.GA20119@thin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdW8gAiyFiPHu-N4Dg_+b6Qg9JXZZ3PqOn=VmZLcEH-Xkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:38:20AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 09:30:40PM +0100, Pieter Smith wrote:
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:43:26AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 01:46:23PM -0500, David Miller wrote:
> >> > > Truly removing sendfile/sendpage means that you can't even compile NFS
> >> > > into the tree.
> >> >
> >> > If you mean the in-kernel nfsd (CONFIG_NFSD), that already has a large
> >> > stack of "select" and "depends on", both directly and indirectly; adding
> >> > a "select SPLICE_SYSCALL" to it seems fine. (That select does need
> >> > adding, though. Pieter, you need to test-compile more than just
> >> > tinyconfig and defconfig. Try an allyesconfig with *just* splice turned
> >> > off, and make sure that compiles.)
> >>
> >> Did exacly that. Took forever on my hardware, but no problems.
> >
> > Ah, I see. Looking more closely at nfsd, it looks like it already has a
> > code path for filesystems that don't do splice. I think, rather than
> > making nfsd select SPLICE_SYSCALL, that it would suffice to change the
> > "rqstp->rq_splice_ok = true;" in svc_process_common (net/sunrpc/svc.c)
> > to:
> >
> > rqstp->rq_splice_ok = IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SPLICE_SYSCALL);
> >
> > Then nfsd should simply *always* fall back to its non-splice support.
>
> Hence I suggest adding to the nfsd help text:
>
> While nfsd works without SPLICE_SYSCALL, you may want to enable
> SPLICE_SYSCALL for <...> (performance?) reasons.
It already seems sufficiently unlikely to enable NFSD while disabling
SPLICE_SYSCALL (in the latter case, turning on EXPERT to do so). It
doesn't seem worth adding such a note to NFSD. At most, I'd say that
NFSD might want a note somewhere in its documentation saying that it
takes advantage of filesystems with splice support if serving files from
one, and if running on a kernel that has splice.
> (Hmm, does Kconfig need a "suggests", cfr. Debian package dependencies?)
Perhaps, though that seems much lower priority than, for instance,
transitive "select".
- Josh Triplett
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] kernel tinification: optionally compile out splice family of syscalls (splice, vmsplice, tee and sendfile)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 01:00:54 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141124090054.GA20119@thin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdW8gAiyFiPHu-N4Dg_+b6Qg9JXZZ3PqOn=VmZLcEH-Xkg@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:38:20AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 09:30:40PM +0100, Pieter Smith wrote:
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:43:26AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 01:46:23PM -0500, David Miller wrote:
> >> > > Truly removing sendfile/sendpage means that you can't even compile NFS
> >> > > into the tree.
> >> >
> >> > If you mean the in-kernel nfsd (CONFIG_NFSD), that already has a large
> >> > stack of "select" and "depends on", both directly and indirectly; adding
> >> > a "select SPLICE_SYSCALL" to it seems fine. (That select does need
> >> > adding, though. Pieter, you need to test-compile more than just
> >> > tinyconfig and defconfig. Try an allyesconfig with *just* splice turned
> >> > off, and make sure that compiles.)
> >>
> >> Did exacly that. Took forever on my hardware, but no problems.
> >
> > Ah, I see. Looking more closely at nfsd, it looks like it already has a
> > code path for filesystems that don't do splice. I think, rather than
> > making nfsd select SPLICE_SYSCALL, that it would suffice to change the
> > "rqstp->rq_splice_ok = true;" in svc_process_common (net/sunrpc/svc.c)
> > to:
> >
> > rqstp->rq_splice_ok = IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SPLICE_SYSCALL);
> >
> > Then nfsd should simply *always* fall back to its non-splice support.
>
> Hence I suggest adding to the nfsd help text:
>
> While nfsd works without SPLICE_SYSCALL, you may want to enable
> SPLICE_SYSCALL for <...> (performance?) reasons.
It already seems sufficiently unlikely to enable NFSD while disabling
SPLICE_SYSCALL (in the latter case, turning on EXPERT to do so). It
doesn't seem worth adding such a note to NFSD. At most, I'd say that
NFSD might want a note somewhere in its documentation saying that it
takes advantage of filesystems with splice support if serving files from
one, and if running on a kernel that has splice.
> (Hmm, does Kconfig need a "suggests", cfr. Debian package dependencies?)
Perhaps, though that seems much lower priority than, for instance,
transitive "select".
- Josh Triplett
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-24 9:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-23 14:20 [PATCH 0/6] kernel tinification: optionally compile out splice family of syscalls (splice, vmsplice, tee and sendfile) Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` [PATCH 2/6] fs: moved kernel_write to fs/read_write Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` [PATCH 3/6] fs/splice: support compiling out splice-family syscalls Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] fs/fuse: support compiling out splice Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
[not found] ` <1416752468-1626-5-git-send-email-pieter-qeJ+1H9vRZbz+pZb47iToQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-23 22:29 ` [fuse-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2014-11-23 22:29 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-11-23 23:23 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-23 23:23 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 9:49 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-24 9:49 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-24 16:05 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 16:05 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 19:34 ` Greg KH
2014-11-24 19:34 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <20141124193412.GB31618-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 20:14 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2014-11-24 20:14 ` josh
2014-11-24 20:22 ` Greg KH
2014-11-24 20:22 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <20141124202214.GA11362-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 21:49 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-24 21:49 ` Pieter Smith
[not found] ` <1416752468-1626-1-git-send-email-pieter-qeJ+1H9vRZbz+pZb47iToQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-23 14:20 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: move sendfile syscall into fs/splice Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] net/core: support compiling out splice Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] fs/splice: full support for " Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 14:20 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 18:46 ` [PATCH 0/6] kernel tinification: optionally compile out splice family of syscalls (splice, vmsplice, tee and sendfile) David Miller
2014-11-23 18:46 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20141123.134623.2061031332250984539.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-23 19:43 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-23 19:43 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-23 20:30 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-23 23:36 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-23 23:36 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 0:28 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20141123192810.682a223e-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 0:32 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 0:32 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 10:01 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-24 10:01 ` Pieter Smith
2014-11-24 14:54 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 14:54 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 8:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-11-24 8:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-11-24 8:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
[not found] ` <CAMuHMdW8gAiyFiPHu-N4Dg_+b6Qg9JXZZ3PqOn=VmZLcEH-Xkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 9:00 ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2014-11-24 9:00 ` Josh Triplett
2014-11-24 9:00 ` Josh Triplett
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