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From: Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>
To: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
Cc: Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>,
	Igor Grinberg <grinberg@compulab.co.il>,
	Linux OMAP Mailing List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm: omap: reduce zImage size on omap2plus_defconfig
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:37:19 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141226043719.GA7661@saruman> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141224190401.GN23854@atomide.com>

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Hi,

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:04:01AM -0800, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> [141224 07:52]:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 01:53:46PM +0200, Igor Grinberg wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > On 12/23/14 18:19, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 09:30:45AM +0200, Igor Grinberg wrote:
> > > >> Hi Felipe,
> > > >>
> > > >> On 12/22/14 20:05, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> [...]
> > > >>
> > > >>>  CONFIG_SCSI_SCAN_ASYNC=y
> > > >>> -CONFIG_ATA=y
> > > >>> -CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y
> > > >>> -CONFIG_MD=y
> > > >>> +CONFIG_ATA=m
> > > >>> +CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=m
> > > >>
> > > >> Isn't this needed for the rootfs on SATA devices?
> > > > 
> > > > there's no known boards with rootfs on SATA. Until then, we can reduce
> > > > the size.
> > > 
> > > What makes you say so?
> > > The decision for rootfs on SATA is taken dynamically.
> > > OMAP5 boards (specifically cm-t54) can have rootfs on SATA...
> > 
> > I'll leave the decision to Tony. Even though they _can_, they really
> > don't and IIRC, OMAP5's SATA has so many silicon errata that it'd be
> > annoying to find that special device which works (e.g it can't negotiate
> > lower speeds with SATA III devices and it won't support SATA I).
> > 
> > As of today, we don't know of anybody really shipping anything with
> > rootfs on SATA and distros would rather ship initiramfs than a giant
> > zImage anyway.
> > 
> > Tony, your call.
> 
> I think we should move omap2plus_defconfig to be mostly modular and
> usable for distros as a base. Most distros prefer to build almost
> everything as loadable modules. And my preference is that we should
> only keep the minimum rootfs for devices and serial support as
> built-in and rely on initramfs for most drivers. And slowly move
> also the remaining built-in drivers to be loadable modules.
> 
> The reasons for having drivers as loadable modules are many. It
> allows distros to use the same kernel for all the devices without
> bloating the kernel. It makes developing drivers easier as just the
> module needs to be reloaded. And loadable modules protect us from
> cross-framework spaghetti calls in the kernel as the interfaces are 
> clearly defined.
> 
> Are there people really using SATA as rootfs right now on omaps?

not that we know :-) The only platforms available today with SATA are
OMAP5432 uEVM and DRA7x EVM, the latter being mostly used by TIers as of
now (at least from mainline point of view).

> If it's only something that will be more widely used in the future,
> then I suggest we make it into a loadable module, and presume
> initramfs and loadable module also for any new devices. The same
> way x86 has been doing with distros for years.

alright, as a module it shall remain.

-- 
balbi

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From: balbi@ti.com (Felipe Balbi)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] arm: omap: reduce zImage size on omap2plus_defconfig
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:37:19 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141226043719.GA7661@saruman> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141224190401.GN23854@atomide.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:04:01AM -0800, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> [141224 07:52]:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 01:53:46PM +0200, Igor Grinberg wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > On 12/23/14 18:19, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 09:30:45AM +0200, Igor Grinberg wrote:
> > > >> Hi Felipe,
> > > >>
> > > >> On 12/22/14 20:05, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> [...]
> > > >>
> > > >>>  CONFIG_SCSI_SCAN_ASYNC=y
> > > >>> -CONFIG_ATA=y
> > > >>> -CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y
> > > >>> -CONFIG_MD=y
> > > >>> +CONFIG_ATA=m
> > > >>> +CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=m
> > > >>
> > > >> Isn't this needed for the rootfs on SATA devices?
> > > > 
> > > > there's no known boards with rootfs on SATA. Until then, we can reduce
> > > > the size.
> > > 
> > > What makes you say so?
> > > The decision for rootfs on SATA is taken dynamically.
> > > OMAP5 boards (specifically cm-t54) can have rootfs on SATA...
> > 
> > I'll leave the decision to Tony. Even though they _can_, they really
> > don't and IIRC, OMAP5's SATA has so many silicon errata that it'd be
> > annoying to find that special device which works (e.g it can't negotiate
> > lower speeds with SATA III devices and it won't support SATA I).
> > 
> > As of today, we don't know of anybody really shipping anything with
> > rootfs on SATA and distros would rather ship initiramfs than a giant
> > zImage anyway.
> > 
> > Tony, your call.
> 
> I think we should move omap2plus_defconfig to be mostly modular and
> usable for distros as a base. Most distros prefer to build almost
> everything as loadable modules. And my preference is that we should
> only keep the minimum rootfs for devices and serial support as
> built-in and rely on initramfs for most drivers. And slowly move
> also the remaining built-in drivers to be loadable modules.
> 
> The reasons for having drivers as loadable modules are many. It
> allows distros to use the same kernel for all the devices without
> bloating the kernel. It makes developing drivers easier as just the
> module needs to be reloaded. And loadable modules protect us from
> cross-framework spaghetti calls in the kernel as the interfaces are 
> clearly defined.
> 
> Are there people really using SATA as rootfs right now on omaps?

not that we know :-) The only platforms available today with SATA are
OMAP5432 uEVM and DRA7x EVM, the latter being mostly used by TIers as of
now (at least from mainline point of view).

> If it's only something that will be more widely used in the future,
> then I suggest we make it into a loadable module, and presume
> initramfs and loadable module also for any new devices. The same
> way x86 has been doing with distros for years.

alright, as a module it shall remain.

-- 
balbi
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-12-26  4:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-22 18:05 [PATCH] arm: omap: reduce zImage size on omap2plus_defconfig Felipe Balbi
2014-12-22 18:05 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-22 18:11 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-22 18:11   ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-23  7:30 ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-23  7:30   ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-23 16:19   ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-23 16:19     ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-23 16:56     ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-23 16:56       ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-23 17:07       ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-23 17:07         ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-24 11:53     ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-24 11:53       ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-24 15:49       ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-24 15:49         ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-24 19:04         ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-24 19:04           ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-25 10:13           ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-25 10:13             ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26  4:42             ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26  4:42               ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 11:56               ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26 11:56                 ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26 13:42                 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2014-12-26 13:42                   ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2014-12-26 15:19                   ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 15:19                     ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 19:38                     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2014-12-26 19:38                       ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2014-12-26 19:47                       ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 19:47                         ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 15:09                 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 15:09                   ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 16:43                   ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26 16:43                     ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26 13:04             ` Grygorii.Strashko@linaro.org
2014-12-26 13:04               ` Grygorii.Strashko@linaro.org
2014-12-26 15:26               ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 15:26                 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 16:13                 ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-26 16:13                   ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-26 16:26                   ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 16:26                     ` Felipe Balbi
2015-01-08  0:43                     ` Tony Lindgren
2015-01-08  0:43                       ` Tony Lindgren
2014-12-26  4:37           ` Felipe Balbi [this message]
2014-12-26  4:37             ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 12:08             ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26 12:08               ` Igor Grinberg
2014-12-26 15:24               ` Felipe Balbi
2014-12-26 15:24                 ` Felipe Balbi

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