From: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>
To: Pantelis Antoniou <pantelis.antoniou@konsulko.com>
Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
rubini@gnudd.com, hpa@zytor.com,
Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>,
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Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
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atull <atull@opensource.altera.com>,
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Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/4] fpga manager: add sysfs interface document
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:56:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150113075651.GB11760@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D62286C4-2800-47B6-9D69-6F92E27347AF@konsulko.com>
On Tue 2015-01-13 09:40:18, Pantelis Antoniou wrote:
> Hi Pavel,
>
> > On Jan 13, 2015, at 09:28 , Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> +What: /sys/class/fpga_manager/<fpga>/firmware
> >>>>>>>>>> +Date: October 2014
> >>>>>>>>>> +KernelVersion: 3.18
> >>>>>>>>>> +Contact: Alan Tull <atull@opensource.altera.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> +Description: Name of the FPGA image file to load using firmware
> >>>>>>>>>> class.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This one is ugly: it unneccessarily passes firmware name through the
> >>>>>>>>> kernel. Just make interface and code simpler by always passing
> >>>>>>>>> "socfpga-fpga-image" or something like that.
> > ...
> >
> >>> What is cumbersome about symlink? Why is "fake" symlink in sysfs better?
> >>>
> >>>> Previous uses of the firmware layer has been to use it to load once after
> >>>> bootup; this is different since some use cases will want to switch out
> >>>> the FPGA image. If someone wants there to be only one FPGA image on
> >>>> the FGPA forever, they will probably not be using this framework; their
> >>>> FPGA will probably be loaded before Linux boots up.
> >>>
> >>> Why? I have just one image on the fpga, and would prefer to load it
> >>> from Linux.
> >>
> >> Pavel: These patches target staging and sysfs interface doesn't need to be stable
> >> at this time. I would prefer to add these patches to staging for 3.20
> >> and feel free to send the patch which fix this.
> >
> > Interesting way to address patch review. "We'll merge it, and you can
> > fix it up later".
> >
> >> With your code will be exactly clear how you want to use it and we can
> >> talk about it.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure Alan knows what I want at this point, he just does not
> > want to do it.
> >
> > For the record, I want to drop "firmware" file, use fixed firmware
> > name, and deal with multiple firmwares in userspace (using symlink or
> > udev magic).
>
> That’s completely bogus. Using a fixed firmware file does not respond to
> real world usage, and there are no words to describe the hacks using
> symlinks and udev in an embedded product.
> > I believe this is simplest solution, should be adequate, and is
> > certainly less ugly than implementing fake symlink in
> > /sys/.../firmware. And I have yet to hear what is wrong with that
> > suggestion.
>
> Everything.
Can you be more specific? Current solution already has a fake symlink,
implemented badly.
Just remove it, and use real symlink (and then you can optionally
think of something better...)
Pavel
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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>
To: Pantelis Antoniou <pantelis.antoniou@konsulko.com>
Cc: Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
atull <atull@opensource.altera.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com, hpa@zytor.com,
Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
rdunlap@infradead.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
devicetree@vger.kernel.org, robh+dt@kernel.org,
Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
iws@ovro.caltech.edu, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
philip@balister.org, rubini@gnudd.com,
Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>,
jason@lakedaemon.net, kyle.teske@ni.com, nico@linaro.org,
Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>,
m.chehab@samsung.com, davidb@codeaurora.org,
Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
davem@davemloft.net, cesarb@cesarb.net, sameo@linux.intel.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org,
Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
pawel.moll@arm.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk, galak@codeaurora.org,
devel@driverdev.osuosl.org,
Alan Tull <delicious.quinoa@gmail.com>,
dinguyen@opensource.altera.com, yvanderv@opensource.altera.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/4] fpga manager: add sysfs interface document
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:56:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150113075651.GB11760@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D62286C4-2800-47B6-9D69-6F92E27347AF@konsulko.com>
On Tue 2015-01-13 09:40:18, Pantelis Antoniou wrote:
> Hi Pavel,
>
> > On Jan 13, 2015, at 09:28 , Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> +What: /sys/class/fpga_manager/<fpga>/firmware
> >>>>>>>>>> +Date: October 2014
> >>>>>>>>>> +KernelVersion: 3.18
> >>>>>>>>>> +Contact: Alan Tull <atull@opensource.altera.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> +Description: Name of the FPGA image file to load using firmware
> >>>>>>>>>> class.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This one is ugly: it unneccessarily passes firmware name through the
> >>>>>>>>> kernel. Just make interface and code simpler by always passing
> >>>>>>>>> "socfpga-fpga-image" or something like that.
> > ...
> >
> >>> What is cumbersome about symlink? Why is "fake" symlink in sysfs better?
> >>>
> >>>> Previous uses of the firmware layer has been to use it to load once after
> >>>> bootup; this is different since some use cases will want to switch out
> >>>> the FPGA image. If someone wants there to be only one FPGA image on
> >>>> the FGPA forever, they will probably not be using this framework; their
> >>>> FPGA will probably be loaded before Linux boots up.
> >>>
> >>> Why? I have just one image on the fpga, and would prefer to load it
> >>> from Linux.
> >>
> >> Pavel: These patches target staging and sysfs interface doesn't need to be stable
> >> at this time. I would prefer to add these patches to staging for 3.20
> >> and feel free to send the patch which fix this.
> >
> > Interesting way to address patch review. "We'll merge it, and you can
> > fix it up later".
> >
> >> With your code will be exactly clear how you want to use it and we can
> >> talk about it.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure Alan knows what I want at this point, he just does not
> > want to do it.
> >
> > For the record, I want to drop "firmware" file, use fixed firmware
> > name, and deal with multiple firmwares in userspace (using symlink or
> > udev magic).
>
> That’s completely bogus. Using a fixed firmware file does not respond to
> real world usage, and there are no words to describe the hacks using
> symlinks and udev in an embedded product.
> > I believe this is simplest solution, should be adequate, and is
> > certainly less ugly than implementing fake symlink in
> > /sys/.../firmware. And I have yet to hear what is wrong with that
> > suggestion.
>
> Everything.
Can you be more specific? Current solution already has a fake symlink,
implemented badly.
Just remove it, and use real symlink (and then you can optionally
think of something better...)
Pavel
--
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-13 7:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-06 20:13 [PATCH v8 0/4] FPGA Manager Framework atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] doc: add bindings document for altera fpga manager atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` atull
2015-01-06 22:05 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-06 22:05 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-06 22:34 ` atull
2015-01-06 22:34 ` atull
2015-01-09 15:50 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-09 15:50 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <CAL_Jsq+pn5MW6veUivEL49FLSQxZOWRq0gU9Q6iD5jzurKK3rQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 18:58 ` atull
2015-01-09 18:58 ` atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] fpga manager: add sysfs interface document atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` atull
2015-01-07 8:48 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-07 8:48 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 19:14 ` atull
2015-01-09 19:14 ` atull
2015-01-09 20:56 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 20:56 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-10 8:10 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-10 8:10 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-10 15:11 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-10 15:11 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 16:29 ` atull
2015-01-11 16:29 ` atull
2015-01-12 8:45 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 8:45 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 13:48 ` Michal Simek
2015-01-12 13:48 ` Michal Simek
2015-01-13 7:28 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-13 7:28 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-13 7:40 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13 7:40 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13 7:56 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2015-01-13 7:56 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-13 17:27 ` atull
2015-01-13 17:27 ` atull
2015-01-12 16:05 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12 16:05 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12 16:26 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-12 16:26 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-12 18:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-12 18:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 16:21 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 16:21 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 21:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-15 21:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 21:01 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-12 21:01 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-12 21:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-12 21:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 16:28 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 16:28 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 17:26 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13 17:26 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13 19:44 ` atull
2015-01-13 19:44 ` atull
2015-01-14 15:58 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-14 15:58 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 20:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 20:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 21:37 ` atull
2015-01-13 21:37 ` atull
2015-01-13 22:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 22:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-14 16:06 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-14 16:06 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-14 18:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-14 18:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-14 19:01 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-14 19:01 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-15 11:36 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 11:36 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 11:44 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-15 11:44 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-15 16:34 ` atull
2015-01-15 16:34 ` atull
2015-01-15 18:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 18:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 20:45 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 20:45 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 20:54 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-15 20:54 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 16:01 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-21 16:01 ` One Thousand Gnomes
[not found] ` <20150121160151.453ba403-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 16:33 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 16:33 ` Pantelis Antoniou
[not found] ` <D466D9FF-25DA-4765-9469-128733BEBC4D-OWPKS81ov/FWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 20:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-21 20:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-21 20:32 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 20:32 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-15 22:40 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-15 22:40 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-17 17:07 ` Rob Landley
2015-02-17 17:07 ` Rob Landley
2015-02-17 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-17 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-19 12:46 ` Michal Simek
2015-02-19 12:46 ` Michal Simek
2015-02-21 6:31 ` atull
2015-02-21 6:31 ` atull
2015-02-17 18:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-02-17 18:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 21:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 21:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-17 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-17 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] staging: fpga manager: framework core atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] staging: fpga manager: add driver for socfpga fpga manager atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` atull
2015-01-10 18:11 ` [PATCH v8 0/4] FPGA Manager Framework Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-10 18:11 ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 16:08 ` atull
2015-01-11 16:08 ` atull
2015-01-11 16:24 ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 16:24 ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 19:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 19:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 20:58 ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 20:58 ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 21:31 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 21:31 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 13:50 ` Michal Simek
2015-01-12 13:50 ` Michal Simek
2015-01-12 14:06 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-01-12 14:06 ` Dan Carpenter
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