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From: Petr Cermak <petrcermak@chromium.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Primiano Tucci <primiano@chromium.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] task_mmu: Add user-space support for resetting mm->hiwater_rss (peak RSS)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:22:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150114152225.GB31484@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150107172452.GA7922@node.dhcp.inet.fi>

On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 07:24:52PM +0200, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> And how it's not an ABI break?
I don't think this is an ABI break because the current behaviour is not
changed unless you write "5" to /proc/pid/clear_refs. If you do, you are
explicitly requesting the new functionality.

> We have never-lowering VmHWM for 9+ years. How can you know that nobody
> expects this behaviour?
This is why we sent an RFC [1] several weeks ago. We expect this to be
used mainly by performance-related tools (e.g. profilers) and from the
comments in the code [2] VmHWM seems to be a best-effort counter. If this
is strictly a no-go, I can only think of the following two alternatives:

  1. Add an extra resettable field to /proc/pid/status (e.g.
     resettable_hiwater_rss). While this doesn't violate the current
     definition of VmHWM, it adds an extra line to /proc/pid/status,
     which I think is a much bigger issue.
  2. Introduce a new proc fs file to task_mmu (e.g.
     /proc/pid/profiler_stats), but this feels like overengineering.

> And why do you reset hiwater_rss, but not hiwater_vm?
This is a good point. Should we reset both using the same flag, or
introduce a new one ("6")?

[1] lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1412.1/01877.html
[2] task_mmu.c:32: "... such snapshots can always be inconsistent."

Petr

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From: Petr Cermak <petrcermak@chromium.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Primiano Tucci <primiano@chromium.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] task_mmu: Add user-space support for resetting mm->hiwater_rss (peak RSS)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:22:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150114152225.GB31484@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150107172452.GA7922@node.dhcp.inet.fi>

On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 07:24:52PM +0200, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> And how it's not an ABI break?
I don't think this is an ABI break because the current behaviour is not
changed unless you write "5" to /proc/pid/clear_refs. If you do, you are
explicitly requesting the new functionality.

> We have never-lowering VmHWM for 9+ years. How can you know that nobody
> expects this behaviour?
This is why we sent an RFC [1] several weeks ago. We expect this to be
used mainly by performance-related tools (e.g. profilers) and from the
comments in the code [2] VmHWM seems to be a best-effort counter. If this
is strictly a no-go, I can only think of the following two alternatives:

  1. Add an extra resettable field to /proc/pid/status (e.g.
     resettable_hiwater_rss). While this doesn't violate the current
     definition of VmHWM, it adds an extra line to /proc/pid/status,
     which I think is a much bigger issue.
  2. Introduce a new proc fs file to task_mmu (e.g.
     /proc/pid/profiler_stats), but this feels like overengineering.

> And why do you reset hiwater_rss, but not hiwater_vm?
This is a good point. Should we reset both using the same flag, or
introduce a new one ("6")?

[1] lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1412.1/01877.html
[2] task_mmu.c:32: "... such snapshots can always be inconsistent."

Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-14 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-07 17:06 [PATCH v2 0/2] task_mmu: Add user-space support for resetting mm->hiwater_rss (peak RSS) Petr Cermak
2015-01-07 17:06 ` Petr Cermak
2015-01-07 17:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] task_mmu: Reduce excessive indentation in clear_refs_write Petr Cermak
2015-01-07 17:06   ` Petr Cermak
2015-01-07 17:06 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] task_mmu: Add user-space support for resetting mm->hiwater_rss (peak RSS) Petr Cermak
2015-01-07 17:06   ` Petr Cermak
2015-01-07 17:24   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-07 17:24     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-14 15:22     ` Petr Cermak [this message]
2015-01-14 15:22       ` Petr Cermak
2015-01-14 23:36       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-14 23:36         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-21 22:58         ` David Rientjes
2015-01-21 22:58           ` David Rientjes
2015-01-22  0:22           ` Primiano Tucci
2015-01-22  0:22             ` Primiano Tucci
2015-01-22 23:27             ` David Rientjes
2015-01-22 23:27               ` David Rientjes
2015-01-23  0:28               ` Primiano Tucci
2015-01-23  0:28                 ` Primiano Tucci
2015-01-27  0:00                 ` David Rientjes
2015-01-27  0:00                   ` David Rientjes
2015-02-03  3:26                   ` Petr Cermak
2015-02-03  3:26                     ` Petr Cermak
2015-02-03 15:51                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-03 15:51                       ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-03 20:16                       ` David Rientjes
2015-02-03 20:16                         ` David Rientjes
2015-01-14 23:39       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-14 23:39         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-15 16:46         ` Petr Cermak
2015-01-15 16:46           ` Petr Cermak

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