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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>,
	Ganesh Mahendran <opensource.ganesh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] zram: remove init_lock in zram_make_request
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:41:00 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150202034100.GF6402@blaptop> (raw)

Separate another issue from my patch.

On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 11:44:06AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 10:48:00AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > Hello Minchan,
> > 
> > On (02/02/15 10:30), Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > >  static inline int init_done(struct zram *zram)
> > > > >  {
> > > > > -	return zram->meta != NULL;
> > > > > +	return zram->disksize != 0;
> > > > 
> > > > we don't set ->disksize to 0 when create device. and I think
> > > > it's better to use refcount here, but set it to 0 during device creation.
> > > > (see the patch below)
> > > 
> > > There was a reason I didn't use refcount there.
> > > I should have written down it.
> > > 
> > > We need something to prevent further I/O handling on other CPUs.
> > > Otherwise, it's livelock. For example, new 'A' I/O rw path on CPU 1
> > > can see non-zero refcount if another CPU is going on rw.
> > > Then, another new 'B' I/O rw path on CPU 2 can see non-zero refcount
> > > if A I/O is going on. Then, another new 'C' I/O rw path on CPU 3 can
> > > see non-zero refcount if B I/O is going on. Finally, 'A' IO is done
> > > on CPU 1 and next I/O 'D' on CPU 1 can see non-zero refcount because
> > > 'C' on CPU 3 is going on. Infinite loop.
> > 
> > sure, I did think about this. and I actually didn't find any reason not
> > to use ->refcount there. if user wants to reset the device, he first
> > should umount it to make bdev->bd_holders check happy. and that's where
> > IOs will be failed. so it makes sense to switch to ->refcount there, IMHO.
> 
> If we use zram as block device itself(not a fs or swap) and open the
> block device as !FMODE_EXCL, bd_holders will be void.
> 
> Another topic: As I didn't see enough fs/block_dev.c bd_holders in zram
> would be mess. I guess we need to study hotplug of device and implement
> it for zram reset rather than strange own konb. It should go TODO. :(

Actually, I thought bd_mutex use from custom driver was terrible idea
so we should walk around with device hotplug but as I look through
another drivers, they have used the lock for a long time.
Maybe it's okay to use it in zram?
If so, Ganesh's patch is no problem to me although I didn't' review it in detail.
One thing I want to point out is that it would be better to change bd_holders
with bd_openers to filter out because dd test opens block device as !EXCL
so bd_holders will be void.

What do you think about it?

-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>,
	Ganesh Mahendran <opensource.ganesh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] zram: remove init_lock in zram_make_request
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:41:00 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150202034100.GF6402@blaptop> (raw)

Separate another issue from my patch.

On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 11:44:06AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 10:48:00AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > Hello Minchan,
> > 
> > On (02/02/15 10:30), Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > >  static inline int init_done(struct zram *zram)
> > > > >  {
> > > > > -	return zram->meta != NULL;
> > > > > +	return zram->disksize != 0;
> > > > 
> > > > we don't set ->disksize to 0 when create device. and I think
> > > > it's better to use refcount here, but set it to 0 during device creation.
> > > > (see the patch below)
> > > 
> > > There was a reason I didn't use refcount there.
> > > I should have written down it.
> > > 
> > > We need something to prevent further I/O handling on other CPUs.
> > > Otherwise, it's livelock. For example, new 'A' I/O rw path on CPU 1
> > > can see non-zero refcount if another CPU is going on rw.
> > > Then, another new 'B' I/O rw path on CPU 2 can see non-zero refcount
> > > if A I/O is going on. Then, another new 'C' I/O rw path on CPU 3 can
> > > see non-zero refcount if B I/O is going on. Finally, 'A' IO is done
> > > on CPU 1 and next I/O 'D' on CPU 1 can see non-zero refcount because
> > > 'C' on CPU 3 is going on. Infinite loop.
> > 
> > sure, I did think about this. and I actually didn't find any reason not
> > to use ->refcount there. if user wants to reset the device, he first
> > should umount it to make bdev->bd_holders check happy. and that's where
> > IOs will be failed. so it makes sense to switch to ->refcount there, IMHO.
> 
> If we use zram as block device itself(not a fs or swap) and open the
> block device as !FMODE_EXCL, bd_holders will be void.
> 
> Another topic: As I didn't see enough fs/block_dev.c bd_holders in zram
> would be mess. I guess we need to study hotplug of device and implement
> it for zram reset rather than strange own konb. It should go TODO. :(

Actually, I thought bd_mutex use from custom driver was terrible idea
so we should walk around with device hotplug but as I look through
another drivers, they have used the lock for a long time.
Maybe it's okay to use it in zram?
If so, Ganesh's patch is no problem to me although I didn't' review it in detail.
One thing I want to point out is that it would be better to change bd_holders
with bd_openers to filter out because dd test opens block device as !EXCL
so bd_holders will be void.

What do you think about it?

-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

             reply	other threads:[~2015-02-02  3:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-02  3:41 Minchan Kim [this message]
2015-02-02  3:41 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] zram: remove init_lock in zram_make_request Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  5:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  5:59   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  6:18   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  6:18     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  7:06     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  7:06       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-03  1:54       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-03  1:54         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-03  3:02         ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-03  3:02           ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-03  3:56           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-03  3:56             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-01-28  8:15 [PATCH 1/2] zram: free meta table in zram_meta_free Minchan Kim
2015-01-28  8:15 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] zram: remove init_lock in zram_make_request Minchan Kim
2015-01-28 14:56   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-28 14:56     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-28 15:04     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-28 15:04       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-28 23:33     ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-28 23:33       ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  1:57       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29  2:01         ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  2:01           ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  2:22           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29  2:22             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29  5:28             ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  5:28               ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  6:06               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29  6:06                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29  6:35                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  6:35                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-29  7:08                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29  7:08                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-30 14:41                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-30 14:41                       ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-31 11:31                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-31 11:31                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-01 14:50                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-01 14:50                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-01 15:04                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-01 15:04                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  1:43                           ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  1:43                             ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  1:59                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  1:59                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  2:45                               ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  2:45                                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  3:47                                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  3:47                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  1:30                         ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  1:30                           ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  1:48                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  1:48                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  2:44                             ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  2:44                               ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  4:01                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  4:01                                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  4:28                                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  4:28                                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  5:09                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  5:09                                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  5:18                                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  5:18                                       ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  5:28                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  5:28                                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-02-02  5:10                                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-02  5:10                                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-01-30  0:20                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29 13:48   ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-29 13:48     ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-29 15:12     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-29 15:12       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-30  7:52       ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-30  7:52         ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-30  8:08         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-30  8:08           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-31  8:50           ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-31  8:50             ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-31 11:07             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-31 11:07               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-01-31 12:59               ` Ganesh Mahendran
2015-01-31 12:59                 ` Ganesh Mahendran

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