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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: "Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	casey@schaufler-ca.com, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@gmail.com>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	akpm@linuxfoundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [capabilities] Allow normal inheritance for a configurable set of capabilities
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:23:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150205152327.GA31086@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150205003434.GC23013@mail.hallyn.com>

Quoting Serge E. Hallyn (serge@hallyn.com):
> Quoting Andrew G. Morgan (morgan@kernel.org):
> > I'm not generally in favor of this. Mostly because this seems to be a
> > mini-root kind of inheritance that propagates privilege to binaries
> > that aren't prepared for privilege.
> 
> Earlier in this thread, Casey said:
> 
> | One of the holes in the 1003.1e spec is what to do with a program file
> | that does not have a capability set attached to it. The two options are
> | drop all capabilities and leave the capabilities alone. The latter gives
> | you what you're asking for. The former is arguably safer.
> 
> and
> 
> | It's what we did in Trusted Irix. It made life much easier.
> 
> I'm going to need to clear my head a bit before I try to compare that to
> the root cause of the sendmail capabilities bug.
> 
> >  I don't really buy the mmap code
> > concern because the model as it stands says that you trust the binary
> > (and all of the various ways it was programmed to execute code) with
> > specific privileges. If the binary mmap's some code (PAM modules come
> > to mind) then that is part of what it was programmed to/allowed to do.
> 
> That's not really the point...  The point is that yes, a mini-root is
> exactly what is being asked for :)  I'm not saying I expect an adversary
> to do the mmap+jump, but that currently it is a, and the only, way to
> do unprivileged userid with retaining some privileges to run legacy
> programs.
> 
> > That being said, if you really really want this kind of thing, then
> > make it a single secure bit (with another lock on/off bit) which, when
> > set, makes: fI default to X.
> > 
> >    pP' = (X & fP) | (pI & fI)
> > 
> > That way the per-process bounding set still works as advertised and
> > you don't need to worry about the existing semantics being violated.
> 
> Maybe that is the way to go...

We could require nnp to set the new securebit, and add a
CONFIG_SECURITY_LULZ_I_DONT_CARE to skip that requirement.
(Or maybe that just makes things worse by having more
different sets of rules...)

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-05 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-02 16:21 [capabilities] Allow normal inheritance for a configurable set of capabilities Christoph Lameter
2015-02-02 17:12 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-02 17:18   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 18:09     ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-03 15:16     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:55     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:18       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 17:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 15:15           ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 15:50             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 15:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 16:12                 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 16:34                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 16:54                     ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 17:34                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 18:12                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 16:43                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 16:27                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-05  0:34             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-05 15:23               ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2015-02-25 21:50     ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-25 23:59       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 12:27         ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-27 20:15           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-27 20:48             ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-27 20:56               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-27 22:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-02 17:54 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-02 18:08   ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-02 18:47     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-02-02 19:05       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-02-02 20:35         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 16:04       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-02 19:00     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-05  0:20       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-02 20:37     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 20:54       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 15:51         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 16:37           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 17:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:50               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 19:45                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 20:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-03 23:14                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 23:17                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04  2:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04  6:05                         ` Markku Savela
2015-02-04 13:17                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 13:41                             ` Markku Savela
2015-02-04 14:56                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-02-03 15:17       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:40         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 15:46       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:19         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 17:29           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-25 21:50     ` Pavel Machek

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