From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@gmail.com>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linuxfoundation.org,
"Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
Markku Savela <msa@moth.iki.fi>,
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:46:23 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150223164623.GB32181@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502231041580.21784@gentwo.org>
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:44:32AM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2015, Serge Hallyn wrote:
>
> > The core concern for amorgan is that an unprivileged user not be
> > able to cause a privileged program to run in a way that it fails to
> > drop privilege before running unprivileged-user-provided code.
>
> I do not see a problem with dropping privilege since the ambient set
> is supposed to be preserved across a drop of priviledge.
Because you're tricking the program into thinking it has dropped
the privilege, when in fact it has not.
> > Since your desire is precisely for a mode where dropping privilege
> > works as usual, but exec then re-gains some or all of that privilege,
>
> I would say that the ambient set stays active even if the setuid binary
> drops to regular perms.
>
> > we need to either agree on a way to enter that mode that ordinary
> > use caes can't be tricked into using, or find a way for legacy
> > users to be tpiped off as to what's going on (without having to be
> > re-written)
>
> Well if the ambient set is completely separate then the existing
> semantics are preserved while the ambient set stays active as intended.
>
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2015-02-05 21:56 [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1 Christoph Lameter
2015-02-05 21:56 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502051554500.4876-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 14:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 14:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWJCcBBGGp21C4cdtiU79K-P3t+6rFJUWcXcLR1jqrrFQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 15:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-23 16:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 23:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-24 15:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:16 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrW78805ayUL=ZYBdFwVdDvJZus2JL0VVmEBE8=L1Nm5Sw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 16:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2015-02-23 16:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 18:15 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 18:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24 5:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150224051928.GA14755-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-24 15:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-24 15:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-24 15:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24 16:44 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-24 17:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-25 3:32 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-25 20:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-25 20:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 15:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150226153524.GC15182-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 18:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 18:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 19:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 19:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWpKiurZEEOT25i_xrtQyk5dht+wjUO4+tGs+N_7JCdYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150226193200.GA17709-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 20:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 20:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150226205512.GA19273-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 20:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 21:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:09 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502261507450.8274-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 21:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:37 ` Christoph Lameter
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