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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@gmail.com>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
	Markku Savela <msa@moth.iki.fi>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:55:12 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150226205512.GA19273@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUB1bb4TiiBgdAMVtRJcEAoDzuOH+StTLPVL8QiXXdOfQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:51:57PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 02:13:00PM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> >> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >>
> >> > Andrew Morgan was against that.  What if we changed
> >> >
> >> > pE' = pP' & (fE | pA)
> >> >
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> >     if (pA)
> >> >             pE' = pP' & fE
> >> >     else
> >> >             pE' = pP'
> >> >
> >>
> >> Same problem as before. The ambient bits will not be set in pE'.
> >
> > And what if I weren't scatterbrained and we did
> >
> >         if (pA)
> >                 pE' = pP'
> >         else
> >                 pE' = pP' & fE
> >
> > All pP' bits would be set in pE'.
> 
> That seems reasonable to me, except for my paranoia:
> 
> What if there's a program with CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE in fP and fE set to
> the empty set (i.e. the magic effective bit cleared), and the program
> relies on that.  A malicious user has CAP_NET_BIND and sets pA =
> CAP_NET_BIND.  Boom!
> 
> If we changed that to if (pA') and zeroed pA if fP is non-empty then
> this problem goes away.

Hm, the problem is that then the empty pA is inherited by children.
I do see that any program with fP set should probably run with only
what it requested.  Would

         if (pA && is_empty(fP))
                 pE' = pP'
         else
                 pE' = pP' & fE

help?  Or are you worried about a program with fP set which then
executes other programs?

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-26 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-05 21:56 [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1 Christoph Lameter
2015-02-05 21:56 ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502051554500.4876-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 14:58   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 14:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <CALCETrWJCcBBGGp21C4cdtiU79K-P3t+6rFJUWcXcLR1jqrrFQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 15:53         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:53           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-23 16:41             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 23:51               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-24 15:48                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:16     ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrW78805ayUL=ZYBdFwVdDvJZus2JL0VVmEBE8=L1Nm5Sw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 16:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:45             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:44       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:44         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:46         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:50           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 18:15             ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 18:27               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24  5:19               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20150224051928.GA14755-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-24 15:47                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-24 15:47                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-24 15:58                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24 16:44                       ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-24 17:28                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-25  3:32                           ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-25 20:25                             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-25 20:25                               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 15:35                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20150226153524.GC15182-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 18:28                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 18:28                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 19:32                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 19:38                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                         ` <CALCETrWpKiurZEEOT25i_xrtQyk5dht+wjUO4+tGs+N_7JCdYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:16                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:16                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:33                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                       ` <20150226193200.GA17709-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:13                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:13                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:34                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 20:51                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 20:55                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
     [not found]                                                 ` <20150226205512.GA19273-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:58                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 20:58                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 21:19                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:29                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:09                                             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                               ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502261507450.8274-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 21:13                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:13                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:23                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:32                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:37                                                       ` Christoph Lameter

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