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From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
To: Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com>
Cc: lsf@lists.linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: dm-mpath request merging concerns [was: Re: It's time to put together the schedule]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:39:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150224003900.GA6421@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150223221438.GX11463@ask-08.lab.msp.redhat.com>

On Mon, Feb 23 2015 at  5:14pm -0500,
Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:46:37PM -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > 
> > It is blk_queue_bio(), via q->make_request_fn, that is intended to
> > actually do the merging.  What I'm hearing is that we're only getting
> > some small amount of merging if:
> > 1) the 2 path case is used and therefore ->busy hook within
> >    q->request_fn is not taking the request off the queue, so there is
> >    more potential for later merging
> > 2) the 4 path case IFF nr_requests is reduced to induce ->busy, which
> >    only promoted merging as a side-effect like 1) above
> > 
> > The reality is we aren't getting merging where it _should_ be happening
> > (in blk_queue_bio).  We need to understand why that is.
> 
> Huh? I'm confused.  If the merges that are happening (which are more
> likely if either of those two points you mentioned are true) aren't
> happening in blk_queue_bio, then where are they happening?

AFAICT, purely from this discussion and NetApp's BZ, the little merging
that is seen is happening by the ->lld_busy_fn hook.  See the comment
block above blk_lld_busy().
 
> I thought that the issue is that requests are getting pulled off the
> multipath device's request queue and placed on the underlying device's
> request queue too quickly, so that there are no requests on multipth's
> queue to merge with when blk_queue_bio() is called.  In this case, one
> solution would involve keeping multipath from removing these requests
> too quickly when we think that it is likely that another request which
> can get merged will be added soon. That's what all my ideas have been
> about.
> 
> Do you think something different is happening here? 

Requests are being pulled from the DM-multipath's queue if
->lld_busy_fn() is false.  Too quickly is all relative.  The case NetApp
reported is with SSD devices in the backend.  Any increased idling in
the interest of merging could hurt latency; but the merging may improve
IOPS.  So it is trade-off.

So what I said before and am still saying is: we need to understand why
the designed hook for merging, via q->make_request_fn's blk_queue_bio(),
isn't actually meaningful for DM multipath.

Merging should happen _before_ q->request_fn() is called.  Not as a
side-effect of q->request_fn() happening to have intelligence to not
start the request because the underlying device queues are busy.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-24  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <54EAD453.6040907@suse.de>
2015-02-23 13:50   ` dm-mpath request merging concerns [was: Re: It's time to put together the schedule] Mike Snitzer
2015-02-23 17:18     ` [Lsf] " Mike Christie
2015-02-23 18:34       ` Benjamin Marzinski
2015-02-23 19:56         ` Mike Snitzer
2015-02-23 21:19           ` Benjamin Marzinski
2015-02-23 22:46             ` Mike Snitzer
2015-02-23 22:14               ` Benjamin Marzinski
2015-02-24  0:39                 ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2015-02-24  0:38                   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2015-02-24  2:02                     ` Mike Snitzer
2015-02-24 14:35                       ` Jeff Moyer
2015-02-24 14:59                         ` Mike Snitzer
2015-02-23 19:35       ` [Lsf] " Merla, ShivaKrishna
2015-02-23 19:50       ` Mike Snitzer
2015-02-23 20:08         ` [Lsf] " Christoph Hellwig
2015-02-23 20:39           ` Mike Snitzer
2015-02-23 21:14             ` Mike Snitzer
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2015-03-08 18:11             ` RFC for small allocation failure mode transition plan (was: Re: [Lsf] common session about page allocator vs. FS/IO) It's time to put together the schedule) Michal Hocko

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