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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Wolfram Sang <wsa-z923LK4zBo2bacvFa/9K2g@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Chen-Yu Tsai <wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Ian Campbell
	<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
	Kumar Gala <galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-sunxi-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] i2c: sunxi: Add Reduced Serial Bus (RSB) support
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 19:28:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150305182817.GB4911@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150304172710.GA884@katana>

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Hi Wolfram,

On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 06:27:11PM +0100, Wolfram Sang wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 04:24:43PM +0800, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote:
> > The RSB controller looks like an SMBus controller which only supports byte
> > and word data transfers. It can also do double-word data transfers, but the
> > I2C subsystem does not support this, nor have we seen devices using this.
> > 
> > The RSB differs from standard SMBus protocol on several aspects:
> > - it uses addresses set at runtime to address slaves. Runtime addresses
> >   are sent to slaves using their 12bit hardware addresses. Up to 15
> >   runtime addresses are available.
> > - it adds a parity bit every 8bits of data and address for read and
> >   write accesses; this replaces the ack bit
> > - only one read access is required to read a byte (instead of a write
> >   followed by a read access in standard SMBus protocol)
> > - there's no Ack bit after each read access
> > 
> > This means this bus cannot be used to interface with standard SMBus
> > devices (known devices supporting this interface are the AXP223, AXP806,
> > AXP809 PMICs and the AC100 codec/RTC). However the RSB protocol is an
> > extension of P2WI, which was close enough to SMBus to be integrated into
> > the I2C subsystem in commit 3e833490fae5 ("i2c: sunxi: add P2WI (Push/Pull
> > 2 Wire Interface) controller support").
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Chen-Yu Tsai <wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>
> 
> I don't have the bandwidth for a full review right now. However, I
> already wanted to tell you guys that my gut feeling is that this
> protocol is quite far away from I2C. P2WI was already at the edge.
> Maybe there is a better place for such custom stuff? I dunno yet.

That's unfortunate, especially since it looks closer to SPI than what
P2WI even was.

What would be your suggestion?

Thanks,
Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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From: maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com (Maxime Ripard)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 1/4] i2c: sunxi: Add Reduced Serial Bus (RSB) support
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 19:28:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150305182817.GB4911@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150304172710.GA884@katana>

Hi Wolfram,

On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 06:27:11PM +0100, Wolfram Sang wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 04:24:43PM +0800, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote:
> > The RSB controller looks like an SMBus controller which only supports byte
> > and word data transfers. It can also do double-word data transfers, but the
> > I2C subsystem does not support this, nor have we seen devices using this.
> > 
> > The RSB differs from standard SMBus protocol on several aspects:
> > - it uses addresses set at runtime to address slaves. Runtime addresses
> >   are sent to slaves using their 12bit hardware addresses. Up to 15
> >   runtime addresses are available.
> > - it adds a parity bit every 8bits of data and address for read and
> >   write accesses; this replaces the ack bit
> > - only one read access is required to read a byte (instead of a write
> >   followed by a read access in standard SMBus protocol)
> > - there's no Ack bit after each read access
> > 
> > This means this bus cannot be used to interface with standard SMBus
> > devices (known devices supporting this interface are the AXP223, AXP806,
> > AXP809 PMICs and the AC100 codec/RTC). However the RSB protocol is an
> > extension of P2WI, which was close enough to SMBus to be integrated into
> > the I2C subsystem in commit 3e833490fae5 ("i2c: sunxi: add P2WI (Push/Pull
> > 2 Wire Interface) controller support").
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>
> 
> I don't have the bandwidth for a full review right now. However, I
> already wanted to tell you guys that my gut feeling is that this
> protocol is quite far away from I2C. P2WI was already at the edge.
> Maybe there is a better place for such custom stuff? I dunno yet.

That's unfortunate, especially since it looks closer to SPI than what
P2WI even was.

What would be your suggestion?

Thanks,
Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com>
To: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
Cc: Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] i2c: sunxi: Add Reduced Serial Bus (RSB) support
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 19:28:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150305182817.GB4911@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150304172710.GA884@katana>

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Hi Wolfram,

On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 06:27:11PM +0100, Wolfram Sang wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 04:24:43PM +0800, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote:
> > The RSB controller looks like an SMBus controller which only supports byte
> > and word data transfers. It can also do double-word data transfers, but the
> > I2C subsystem does not support this, nor have we seen devices using this.
> > 
> > The RSB differs from standard SMBus protocol on several aspects:
> > - it uses addresses set at runtime to address slaves. Runtime addresses
> >   are sent to slaves using their 12bit hardware addresses. Up to 15
> >   runtime addresses are available.
> > - it adds a parity bit every 8bits of data and address for read and
> >   write accesses; this replaces the ack bit
> > - only one read access is required to read a byte (instead of a write
> >   followed by a read access in standard SMBus protocol)
> > - there's no Ack bit after each read access
> > 
> > This means this bus cannot be used to interface with standard SMBus
> > devices (known devices supporting this interface are the AXP223, AXP806,
> > AXP809 PMICs and the AC100 codec/RTC). However the RSB protocol is an
> > extension of P2WI, which was close enough to SMBus to be integrated into
> > the I2C subsystem in commit 3e833490fae5 ("i2c: sunxi: add P2WI (Push/Pull
> > 2 Wire Interface) controller support").
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>
> 
> I don't have the bandwidth for a full review right now. However, I
> already wanted to tell you guys that my gut feeling is that this
> protocol is quite far away from I2C. P2WI was already at the edge.
> Maybe there is a better place for such custom stuff? I dunno yet.

That's unfortunate, especially since it looks closer to SPI than what
P2WI even was.

What would be your suggestion?

Thanks,
Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-05 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-02  8:24 [PATCH v2 0/4] i2c: sunxi: Add Reduced Serial Bus (RSB) support Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
     [not found] ` <1425284686-5116-1-git-send-email-wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-02  8:24   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] " Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
     [not found]     ` <1425284686-5116-2-git-send-email-wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04 16:53       ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-04 16:53         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-04 16:53         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-04 17:27       ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-04 17:27         ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-04 17:27         ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-05 18:28         ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2015-03-05 18:28           ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-05 18:28           ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-05 18:40           ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-05 18:40             ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-05 18:40             ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-05 22:08             ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-05 22:08               ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-06  6:36               ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-06  6:36                 ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-06  6:36                 ` Wolfram Sang
2015-03-02  8:24   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] i2c: sunxi: Add Reduced Serial Bus (RSB) DT bindings documentation Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
     [not found]     ` <1425284686-5116-3-git-send-email-wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04 16:39       ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-04 16:39         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-04 16:39         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-03-02  8:24   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] ARM: dts: sun8i: Add Reduced Serial Bus controller device node to A23 dtsi Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] ARM: dts: sun8i: ippo-q8h-v5: Enable Reduced Serial Bus controller Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2015-03-02  8:24     ` Chen-Yu Tsai

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