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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Sylvain Rochet <gradator@gradator.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@towertech.it>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	"rtc-linux@googlegroups.com" <rtc-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Wim Van Sebroeck <wim@iguana.be>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
	"linux-serial@vger.kernel.org" <linux-serial@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	linux-a
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] watchdog: at91sam9: request the irq with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 11:39:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150307103939.GA17964@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150307102056.GA28436@gradator.net>

On Sat 2015-03-07 11:20:56, Sylvain Rochet wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 10:18:46AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 11:53:08AM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > If everyone else is happy with this using IRQF_NO_SUSPEND for now then
> > > don't let my comments above block this patch.
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm really not happy with NO_SUSPEND + enable_irq_wake().
> > 
> > I really want that combo to BUG/WARN -- esp. since there's so much cargo
> > culted crap out there.
> > 
> > We should make robust interfaces, not randomly toggle flags until it
> > mostly works by accident rather than by design -- which is what this
> > feels like.
> > 
> > And while I appreciate the watchdog use-case; I think the easiest
> > solution for now is to simply disable the wathdog over suspend until
> > we've come up with something that makes sense.
> > 
> > As it is, you need to 'suspend' the watchdog at some point anyhow; you
> > don't want that thing to wake you from whatever suspend state you're in.
> 
> The Atmel watchdog can't be stopped once it's started. This is actually 
> very useful so we can reset if suspend or resume failed, the only 
> drawback is that you have to wake up from time to time (e.g. by using 
> the RTC/RTT) to clear the watchdog and then go back to sleep ASAP.

Yeah. So you do "echo mem > /sys/power/state", and few seconds/minutes
after watchdog kills the system. But you did not ask for dead system,
you asked for suspend.

And while that behaviour is useful for you, I don't think it is
exactly useful behaviour, nor it is the behaviour user would expect.

									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Sylvain Rochet <gradator@gradator.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@towertech.it>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	"rtc-linux@googlegroups.com" <rtc-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Wim Van Sebroeck <wim@iguana.be>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
	"linux-serial@vger.kernel.org" <linux-serial@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org" <linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] watchdog: at91sam9: request the irq with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 11:39:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150307103939.GA17964@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150307102056.GA28436@gradator.net>

On Sat 2015-03-07 11:20:56, Sylvain Rochet wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 10:18:46AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 11:53:08AM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > If everyone else is happy with this using IRQF_NO_SUSPEND for now then
> > > don't let my comments above block this patch.
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm really not happy with NO_SUSPEND + enable_irq_wake().
> > 
> > I really want that combo to BUG/WARN -- esp. since there's so much cargo
> > culted crap out there.
> > 
> > We should make robust interfaces, not randomly toggle flags until it
> > mostly works by accident rather than by design -- which is what this
> > feels like.
> > 
> > And while I appreciate the watchdog use-case; I think the easiest
> > solution for now is to simply disable the wathdog over suspend until
> > we've come up with something that makes sense.
> > 
> > As it is, you need to 'suspend' the watchdog at some point anyhow; you
> > don't want that thing to wake you from whatever suspend state you're in.
> 
> The Atmel watchdog can't be stopped once it's started. This is actually 
> very useful so we can reset if suspend or resume failed, the only 
> drawback is that you have to wake up from time to time (e.g. by using 
> the RTC/RTT) to clear the watchdog and then go back to sleep ASAP.

Yeah. So you do "echo mem > /sys/power/state", and few seconds/minutes
after watchdog kills the system. But you did not ask for dead system,
you asked for suspend.

And while that behaviour is useful for you, I don't think it is
exactly useful behaviour, nor it is the behaviour user would expect.

									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: pavel@ucw.cz (Pavel Machek)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 5/6] watchdog: at91sam9: request the irq with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 11:39:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150307103939.GA17964@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150307102056.GA28436@gradator.net>

On Sat 2015-03-07 11:20:56, Sylvain Rochet wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 10:18:46AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 11:53:08AM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > If everyone else is happy with this using IRQF_NO_SUSPEND for now then
> > > don't let my comments above block this patch.
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm really not happy with NO_SUSPEND + enable_irq_wake().
> > 
> > I really want that combo to BUG/WARN -- esp. since there's so much cargo
> > culted crap out there.
> > 
> > We should make robust interfaces, not randomly toggle flags until it
> > mostly works by accident rather than by design -- which is what this
> > feels like.
> > 
> > And while I appreciate the watchdog use-case; I think the easiest
> > solution for now is to simply disable the wathdog over suspend until
> > we've come up with something that makes sense.
> > 
> > As it is, you need to 'suspend' the watchdog at some point anyhow; you
> > don't want that thing to wake you from whatever suspend state you're in.
> 
> The Atmel watchdog can't be stopped once it's started. This is actually 
> very useful so we can reset if suspend or resume failed, the only 
> drawback is that you have to wake up from time to time (e.g. by using 
> the RTC/RTT) to clear the watchdog and then go back to sleep ASAP.

Yeah. So you do "echo mem > /sys/power/state", and few seconds/minutes
after watchdog kills the system. But you did not ask for dead system,
you asked for suspend.

And while that behaviour is useful for you, I don't think it is
exactly useful behaviour, nor it is the behaviour user would expect.

									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-07 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-02  9:18 [PATCH v2 0/6] ARM: at91: fix irq_pm_install_action WARNING Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] PM / wakeup: export pm_system_wakeup symbol Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18   ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found] ` <1425287898-15093-1-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-02  9:18   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] rtc: at91sam9: rework wakeup and interrupt handling Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18     ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found]     ` <1425287898-15093-3-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04 18:23       ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 18:23         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 18:23         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-02  9:18   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] watchdog: at91sam9: request the irq with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02 14:10     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-03-02 14:10       ` Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1425287898-15093-6-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04 18:38       ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 18:38         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 18:38         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 21:41         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04 21:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04 21:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]           ` <14143668.0aRkeVrc3Q-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-05 10:57             ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 10:57               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 10:57               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 15:10               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-05 15:10                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-05 15:10                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                 ` <CAJZ5v0h8vn26BeWPVhC4e_KNhBu15-mshnbq0K=OQ1M36vPQEQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-05 16:32                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 16:32                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 16:32                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06  0:29                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06  0:29                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06  0:29                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06 11:06                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06 11:06                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06 11:06                         ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06 12:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06 12:39                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06 12:39                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                           ` <CAJZ5v0jA-hRUnP_+mOdFw7vN7CGZ4o0FjUVu81rq7foi92f63g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-06 13:10                             ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06 13:10                               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06 13:10                               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-07  9:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:12                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:12                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:06                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:06                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-05  8:53         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05  8:53           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05  8:53           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 10:53           ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 10:53             ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 10:53             ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 11:17             ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:17               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:17               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:31               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:31                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:31                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:53               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 11:53                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 11:53                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-07  9:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07  9:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07 10:20                   ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 10:20                     ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 10:20                     ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 10:39                     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2015-03-07 10:39                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 10:39                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 10:59                       ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 10:59                         ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 10:59                         ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 11:06                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-07 11:06                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-07 11:06                         ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]                         ` <20150307110645.GW3989-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-07 11:29                           ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 11:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 11:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 11:46                             ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 11:46                               ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 11:46                               ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-08  1:12                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-08  1:12                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-08  1:12                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-09  7:55                               ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-09  7:55                                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-09  7:55                                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-09 14:30                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-09 14:30                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-09 14:30                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                   ` <1592385.fqRVVyPSPE-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10 21:33                                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-10 21:33                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-10 21:33                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-10 22:31                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-10 22:31                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-10 22:31                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                         ` <1901056.Mqyykpv3e9-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10 22:33                                           ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-10 22:33                                             ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-10 22:33                                             ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]                                             ` <20150310223305.GN9188-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-11  1:03                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-11  1:03                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-11  1:03                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-11  7:33                                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-11  7:33                                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-11  7:33                                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-08  1:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-08  1:11                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-08  1:11                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-11  8:38                           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-11  8:38                             ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-11  8:38                             ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-11 11:17                             ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-11 11:17                               ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-11 11:17                               ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-11 11:17                               ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-03  8:56   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] ARM: at91: fix irq_pm_install_action WARNING Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-03  8:56     ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-03  8:56     ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-03 15:35   ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-03 15:35     ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-03 15:35     ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-03 15:35     ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-04  1:43     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04  1:43       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04  1:43       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04  1:43       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04 18:43   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 18:43     ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 18:43     ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] rtc: at91rm9200: rework wakeup and interrupt handling Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] clk: at91: implement suspend/resume for the PMC irqchip Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18   ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found]   ` <1425287898-15093-5-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09 22:34     ` Mike Turquette
2015-03-09 22:34       ` Mike Turquette
2015-03-09 22:34       ` Mike Turquette
2015-03-09 22:34       ` Mike Turquette
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] tty: serial: atmel: rework interrupt and wakeup handling Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18   ` Boris Brezillon

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