From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Marc Eshel <eshel@us.ibm.com>,
Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org,
xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] NFSD: Add support for encoding multiple segments
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:26:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150320182621.GH2036@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150320162303.GA18786@infradead.org>
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:17:18AM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > Maybe this is a question for xfs developers.
> >
> > So, we have a new READ_PLUS call that's basically just a version of READ
> > optimized for sparse files:
> >
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nfsv4-minorversion2-33#section-15.10
> >
> > It allows an NFS server to return either file data (like a normal READ
> > call) or, at the server's discretion, records saying "this range of the
> > data is all zeroes".
> >
> > Anna tried implementing READ_PLUS for knfsd using
> > vfs_llseek(.,.,SEEK_HOLE) followed by an ordinary read if that
> > determines we're not at a hole.
> >
> > (Very) preliminary results suggest that's slower than a plain READ for
> > an xfs file with no holes. (And *much* slower in the ext4 case for some
> > reason.)
>
> It should be a fairly cheap operastion, and does extent tree operations
> that are pretty similar to an (uncached) read. Do you have profiles?
>
> > Is that expected, and should we be doing this some other way instead?
>
> Are the read cached or uncached?
I don't know, and don't have profiles. I'll either try to reproduce or
wait till Anna's back from vacation.
> If they are from pagecache just copying the zeroes is pretty much
> unbeatable compared to extent tree lookups, so we'd need a new page
> flag (difficult..) to see that a page is a hole (and then it would
> only work for the whole page), but for uncached reads an optimization
> would be to tell a read that it's an NFS READ_PLUS so that it could
> just read until it reach a hole, and then we'd need some way to
> communicate the hole size (or just fall back to SEEK_HOLE for that
> case).
Ugh, OK. We'll do some more tests before coming back to ask about
that....
--b.
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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
Marc Eshel <eshel@us.ibm.com>,
Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com>,
linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] NFSD: Add support for encoding multiple segments
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:26:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150320182621.GH2036@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150320162303.GA18786@infradead.org>
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:17:18AM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > Maybe this is a question for xfs developers.
> >
> > So, we have a new READ_PLUS call that's basically just a version of READ
> > optimized for sparse files:
> >
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nfsv4-minorversion2-33#section-15.10
> >
> > It allows an NFS server to return either file data (like a normal READ
> > call) or, at the server's discretion, records saying "this range of the
> > data is all zeroes".
> >
> > Anna tried implementing READ_PLUS for knfsd using
> > vfs_llseek(.,.,SEEK_HOLE) followed by an ordinary read if that
> > determines we're not at a hole.
> >
> > (Very) preliminary results suggest that's slower than a plain READ for
> > an xfs file with no holes. (And *much* slower in the ext4 case for some
> > reason.)
>
> It should be a fairly cheap operastion, and does extent tree operations
> that are pretty similar to an (uncached) read. Do you have profiles?
>
> > Is that expected, and should we be doing this some other way instead?
>
> Are the read cached or uncached?
I don't know, and don't have profiles. I'll either try to reproduce or
wait till Anna's back from vacation.
> If they are from pagecache just copying the zeroes is pretty much
> unbeatable compared to extent tree lookups, so we'd need a new page
> flag (difficult..) to see that a page is a hole (and then it would
> only work for the whole page), but for uncached reads an optimization
> would be to tell a read that it's an NFS READ_PLUS so that it could
> just read until it reach a hole, and then we'd need some way to
> communicate the hole size (or just fall back to SEEK_HOLE for that
> case).
Ugh, OK. We'll do some more tests before coming back to ask about
that....
--b.
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Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-16 21:18 [PATCH v3 0/3] NFSD: Add READ_PLUS support Anna Schumaker
2015-03-16 21:18 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] NFSD: nfsd4_encode_read{v}() should encode eof and maxcount Anna Schumaker
2015-03-16 21:18 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] NFSD: Add basic READ_PLUS support Anna Schumaker
2015-03-16 21:18 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] NFSD: Add support for encoding multiple segments Anna Schumaker
2015-03-17 19:56 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-17 20:07 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-17 21:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-18 18:16 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-18 18:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-18 20:39 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-18 20:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-18 21:03 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-18 21:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <OFB111A6D8.016B8BD5-ON88257E0D.001D174D-88257E0D.005268D6@us.ibm.com>
2015-03-19 15:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-19 16:28 ` Marc Eshel
2015-03-20 15:17 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-20 15:17 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-20 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-20 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-20 18:26 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2015-03-20 18:26 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-24 12:43 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-24 12:43 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-24 17:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-24 17:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-25 17:15 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-25 17:15 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 15:21 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 15:21 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 15:32 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-26 15:32 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-26 15:36 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 15:36 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 15:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-26 15:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-26 15:47 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 15:47 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 16:06 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-26 16:06 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-26 16:11 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 16:11 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 16:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-26 16:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-26 16:14 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 16:14 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 19:04 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 19:04 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 20:22 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-27 20:22 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-03-27 20:46 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 20:46 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 20:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-27 20:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-27 20:55 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 20:55 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-27 21:08 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-27 21:08 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-15 19:32 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-04-15 19:32 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-04-15 19:56 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-15 19:56 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-15 20:00 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-15 20:00 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-15 22:50 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-15 22:50 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-17 22:07 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-17 22:07 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-04-15 22:57 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-15 22:57 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-26 16:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-26 16:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-03-26 16:18 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-26 16:18 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-30 14:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-30 14:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
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