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To: "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:43:07 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150320194307.51cb4225@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80D7E742-4633-4CCD-B754-221387D82922-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:54:35 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller"
<hns-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> Am 18.03.2015 um 06:58 schrieb NeilBrown <neil-+NVA1uvv1dVBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>:
>
> > Hi again,
> > here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves.
> >
> > This version introduces a new bus-type for tty-slaves,
>
> Hm. I am still not convinced that a tty is a „bus“ and
> that this is a solution for a wide-spread problem.
Don't read too much into the word "bus". It is really just a mechanism for
grouping drivers together - with maybe a hint of a suggestions that it helps
communicate with the devices which the drivers drive.
And I'm not particularly interested in solving wide-spread problems, just in
solving my problem in a suitably idiomatic way.
>
> > and causes
> > a tty-slave device to appear in /sys/devices between the uart and the
> > tty.
> > It effectively intercepts and calls from the tty to the uart (i.e. any
> > tty_operations) and applies extra functionality at that point.
>
> >
> > Currently the only driver intercepts open and close.
> > It powers on the device on open, and powers off at last-close.
>
> That is what the missing piece in Linux is to make the w2sg0004
> chip work.
>
> >
> > Power can be controlled by a regulator or by toggling a GPIO.
>
> I think such a GPIO logic has nothing to do with serial and
> should be left over to the regulator logic, i.e. we need a special
> regulator-w2sg0004 driver.
>
> So I suggest to remove the GPIO logic from your
>
> drivers/tty/slave/serial-power-manager.c
>
> And then you can even get rid of adding a chip specific „compatible“
> entry for the subnodes.
But (nearly) every node has a "compatible" entry.
Each node describes a device, and the "compatible" string tells us what sort
of device.
Surely you agree that there is a particular device that needs to be
controlled? In that case there needs to be a node representing it and a
"compatible" string describing it. That is how "devicetree" works.
>
> >
> > I think I've incorporated most of the feed back I received from
> > previous versions, but if I missed something - I apologize. If
> > this approach is structurally acceptable then I can fix up all the
> > smaller issues.
>
> As said I would prefer that the w2sg0004 driver is just a separate
> „regulator“ driver as we had proposed before.
You can prefer that if you wish. But given that the w2sg0004 is not in fact
a regulator, but is in fact a GPS device, I doubt you will find a lot of
support for your approach (as indeed I didn't when I tried it...)
Thanks,
NeilBrown
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Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:43:07 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150320194307.51cb4225@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80D7E742-4633-4CCD-B754-221387D82922@goldelico.com>
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:54:35 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller"
<hns@goldelico.com> wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> Am 18.03.2015 um 06:58 schrieb NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>:
>
> > Hi again,
> > here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves.
> >
> > This version introduces a new bus-type for tty-slaves,
>
> Hm. I am still not convinced that a tty is a „bus“ and
> that this is a solution for a wide-spread problem.
Don't read too much into the word "bus". It is really just a mechanism for
grouping drivers together - with maybe a hint of a suggestions that it helps
communicate with the devices which the drivers drive.
And I'm not particularly interested in solving wide-spread problems, just in
solving my problem in a suitably idiomatic way.
>
> > and causes
> > a tty-slave device to appear in /sys/devices between the uart and the
> > tty.
> > It effectively intercepts and calls from the tty to the uart (i.e. any
> > tty_operations) and applies extra functionality at that point.
>
> >
> > Currently the only driver intercepts open and close.
> > It powers on the device on open, and powers off at last-close.
>
> That is what the missing piece in Linux is to make the w2sg0004
> chip work.
>
> >
> > Power can be controlled by a regulator or by toggling a GPIO.
>
> I think such a GPIO logic has nothing to do with serial and
> should be left over to the regulator logic, i.e. we need a special
> regulator-w2sg0004 driver.
>
> So I suggest to remove the GPIO logic from your
>
> drivers/tty/slave/serial-power-manager.c
>
> And then you can even get rid of adding a chip specific „compatible“
> entry for the subnodes.
But (nearly) every node has a "compatible" entry.
Each node describes a device, and the "compatible" string tells us what sort
of device.
Surely you agree that there is a particular device that needs to be
controlled? In that case there needs to be a node representing it and a
"compatible" string describing it. That is how "devicetree" works.
>
> >
> > I think I've incorporated most of the feed back I received from
> > previous versions, but if I missed something - I apologize. If
> > this approach is structurally acceptable then I can fix up all the
> > smaller issues.
>
> As said I would prefer that the w2sg0004 driver is just a separate
> „regulator“ driver as we had proposed before.
You can prefer that if you wish. But given that the w2sg0004 is not in fact
a regulator, but is in fact a GPS device, I doubt you will find a lot of
support for your approach (as indeed I didn't when I tried it...)
Thanks,
NeilBrown
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2015-03-18 5:58 [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 NeilBrown
2015-03-18 5:58 ` [PATCH 3/3] tty/slaves: add a driver to power on/off UART attached devices NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20150318055831.21025.33670.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 7:54 ` [Gta04-owner] " Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-20 7:54 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <C53A3E5D-5AEA-4F0F-88A9-F9BC8CB0D0D6-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 8:54 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20 8:54 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20 9:34 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <14FB51CF-9568-4BF4-B917-2C019D992FDB-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 19:50 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-20 19:50 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-20 23:31 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-24 17:58 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 1:45 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-25 7:59 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 15:21 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-25 16:44 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-26 18:08 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-27 9:22 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-27 16:31 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-27 17:11 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-04-27 20:35 ` Pavel Machek
2015-04-29 6:56 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 20:53 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 21:25 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 21:25 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <1F3B5E32-1330-457C-AE25-791319293C38-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-26 5:56 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-26 5:56 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-26 6:44 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <365B2C25-1782-4ADE-B620-190A4CC5E8E3-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-04 7:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-04-04 7:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 20:42 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 21:22 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 21:22 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-18 5:58 ` [PATCH 2/3] TTY: add support for tty_slave devices NeilBrown
2015-03-18 9:11 ` Paul Bolle
2015-03-22 3:32 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20 19:41 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-22 3:42 ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20150322144209.14abc603-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-22 7:58 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-22 7:58 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-24 10:31 ` Jiri Slaby
2015-03-30 23:45 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-25 16:30 ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-25 21:17 ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
2015-03-27 11:09 ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-31 0:33 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-18 5:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] TTY: use class_find_device to find port in uart_suspend/resume NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20150318055831.21025.27864.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-25 16:20 ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-25 16:20 ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-29 21:49 ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
2015-03-20 7:54 ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <80D7E742-4633-4CCD-B754-221387D82922-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 8:43 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2015-03-20 8:43 ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20 8:54 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-20 13:08 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 13:57 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <72268D51-F993-497A-B4F9-707C8DB7155C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 17:14 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 17:14 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 19:31 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20150318055437.21025.13990.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 19:54 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 19:54 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 20:46 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <55492001.30806-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 5:19 ` [Gta04-owner] " Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 5:19 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <DE60E7AA-1BF4-4A68-9638-E09F85FD5C72-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 11:50 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 11:50 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:05 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-06 12:27 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:27 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:36 ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-06 13:28 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 13:28 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 14:15 ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-06 16:09 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 17:18 ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-07 12:46 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 12:46 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 14:30 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 15:11 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 16:18 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 16:57 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <B4D487C5-C260-497B-A441-6C381D53616C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 14:56 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 14:56 ` Peter Hurley
[not found] ` <554B7D33.602-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 15:34 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 15:34 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 15:51 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 16:46 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-13 8:09 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-06-03 11:49 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] UART slave device support Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <56C579D3-E8F8-4B5A-B6E8-993B113F3461-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-06 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <463356C5-E3C6-432C-A1C5-71F0287F1FEE@goldelico.com>
2015-06-03 12:09 ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH RFC 3/3] misc: Add w2g0004 gps receiver driver Christ van Willegen
2015-05-07 15:37 ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 Peter Hurley
[not found] ` <A2594559-CA92-40C2-A06A-AC2483E85CB1-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 14:28 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 14:28 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 16:12 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
[not found] ` <C68A105A-7147-4143-9B91-1A239726A780-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-06 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-06 18:53 ` Belisko Marek
2015-06-06 18:55 ` Belisko Marek
2015-05-07 15:48 ` Rob Herring
2015-05-07 15:48 ` Rob Herring
2015-05-06 11:10 ` Peter Hurley
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