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From: maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com (Maxime Ripard)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v6 4/4] clk: dt: Introduce binding for always-on clock support
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:17:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150407191746.GA26727@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1428432239-4114-5-git-send-email-lee.jones@linaro.org>

Hi Lee,

On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 07:43:59PM +0100, Lee Jones wrote:
> Signed-off-by: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
> ---
>  .../devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt   | 38 ++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 38 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt
> index 06fc6d5..daf3323 100644
> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt
> @@ -44,6 +44,44 @@ For example:
>    clocks by index. The names should reflect the clock output signal
>    names for the device.
>  
> +clock-always-on:    Some hardware contains bunches of clocks which must never be
> +		    turned off.  If drivers a) fail to obtain a reference to any
> +		    of these or b) give up a previously obtained reference
> +		    during suspend, the common clk framework will attempt to
> +		    disable them and a platform can fail irrecoverably as a
> +		    result.  Usually the only way to recover from these failures
> +		    is to reboot.
> +
> +		    To avoid either of these two scenarios from catastrophically
> +		    disabling an otherwise perfectly healthy running system,
> +		    clocks can be identified as always-on using this property
> +		    from inside a clocksource's node.

Isn't "clocksource" here way too similar to, I don't know, the
clocksource framework? Wouln't clock provider be better?

> +
> +		    This property is not to be abused.  It is only to be used to
> +		    protect platforms from being crippled by gated clocks, not
> +		    as a convenience function to avoid using the framework
> +		    correctly inside device drivers.

Disregarding what's stated here, I'm pretty sure that this will
actually happen. Where do you place the cursor?

Should we create a new driver for our RAM controller, or do we want to
use clock-always-on?

Do we really want to enforce this if we ever gain a driver that would
actually be able to manage its clock (like do we want the CPU clock to
never *ever* be gated just because we don't have a cpuidle/hotplug
driver yet?)

Have you seen the numerous NAK on such approach Mike did?

Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com>
To: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@stlinux.com,
	mturquette@linaro.org, sboyd@codeaurora.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, geert@linux-m68k.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/4] clk: dt: Introduce binding for always-on clock support
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:17:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150407191746.GA26727@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1428432239-4114-5-git-send-email-lee.jones@linaro.org>

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Hi Lee,

On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 07:43:59PM +0100, Lee Jones wrote:
> Signed-off-by: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
> ---
>  .../devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt   | 38 ++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 38 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt
> index 06fc6d5..daf3323 100644
> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/clock-bindings.txt
> @@ -44,6 +44,44 @@ For example:
>    clocks by index. The names should reflect the clock output signal
>    names for the device.
>  
> +clock-always-on:    Some hardware contains bunches of clocks which must never be
> +		    turned off.  If drivers a) fail to obtain a reference to any
> +		    of these or b) give up a previously obtained reference
> +		    during suspend, the common clk framework will attempt to
> +		    disable them and a platform can fail irrecoverably as a
> +		    result.  Usually the only way to recover from these failures
> +		    is to reboot.
> +
> +		    To avoid either of these two scenarios from catastrophically
> +		    disabling an otherwise perfectly healthy running system,
> +		    clocks can be identified as always-on using this property
> +		    from inside a clocksource's node.

Isn't "clocksource" here way too similar to, I don't know, the
clocksource framework? Wouln't clock provider be better?

> +
> +		    This property is not to be abused.  It is only to be used to
> +		    protect platforms from being crippled by gated clocks, not
> +		    as a convenience function to avoid using the framework
> +		    correctly inside device drivers.

Disregarding what's stated here, I'm pretty sure that this will
actually happen. Where do you place the cursor?

Should we create a new driver for our RAM controller, or do we want to
use clock-always-on?

Do we really want to enforce this if we ever gain a driver that would
actually be able to manage its clock (like do we want the CPU clock to
never *ever* be gated just because we don't have a cpuidle/hotplug
driver yet?)

Have you seen the numerous NAK on such approach Mike did?

Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-07 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-07 18:43 [PATCH v6 0/4] clk: Provide support for always-on clocks Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43 ` Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] ARM: sti: stih407-family: Supply defines for CLOCKGEN A0 Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] ARM: sti: stih410-clocks: Identify critical clocks as always-on Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] clk: Provide always-on clock support Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08  5:02   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-04-08  5:02     ` Stephen Boyd
2015-04-07 18:43 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] clk: dt: Introduce binding for " Lee Jones
2015-04-07 18:43   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-07 19:17   ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2015-04-07 19:17     ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-08  8:14     ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08  8:14       ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08  9:43       ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-08  9:43         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-08 10:38         ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08 10:38           ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08 15:57           ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-08 15:57             ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-08 15:57             ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-08 17:23             ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08 17:23               ` Lee Jones
2015-04-08 17:23               ` Lee Jones
2015-04-22  9:34               ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-22  9:34                 ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-29 14:17                 ` Lee Jones
2015-04-29 14:17                   ` Lee Jones
2015-04-29 14:33                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-04-29 14:33                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-04-29 14:33                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-04-29 15:11                     ` Lee Jones
2015-04-29 15:11                       ` Lee Jones
2015-04-29 20:27                       ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-29 20:27                         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-29 14:51                   ` Sascha Hauer
2015-04-29 14:51                     ` Sascha Hauer
2015-04-29 16:07                     ` Lee Jones
2015-04-29 16:07                       ` Lee Jones
2015-04-29 23:05                       ` Michael Turquette
2015-04-29 23:05                         ` Michael Turquette
2015-05-04 13:31                         ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-04 13:31                           ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-29 20:23                   ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-29 20:23                     ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-29 20:23                     ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-30  9:57                     ` Lee Jones
2015-04-30  9:57                       ` Lee Jones
2015-05-01  5:34                       ` Sascha Hauer
2015-05-01  5:34                         ` Sascha Hauer
2015-05-01  6:44                         ` Lee Jones
2015-05-01  6:44                           ` Lee Jones
2015-05-07 21:20                           ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-07 21:20                             ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-07 21:20                             ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-08  7:22                             ` Lee Jones
2015-05-08  7:22                               ` Lee Jones
2015-05-15 14:12                               ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-15 14:12                                 ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-15 14:12                                 ` Maxime Ripard
2015-04-07 20:32   ` Rob Herring
2015-04-07 20:32     ` Rob Herring
2015-04-08  5:25   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-04-08  5:25     ` Stephen Boyd
2015-04-08  5:25     ` Stephen Boyd
2015-04-08  5:28 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] clk: Provide support for always-on clocks Stephen Boyd
2015-04-08  5:28   ` Stephen Boyd

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