From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/16] NFS/RDMA patches proposed for 4.1
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 16:38:55 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150505223855.GA7696@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <554936E5.80607@talpey.com>
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:32:21PM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote:
> >Do you have any information on these attempts and why the failed? Note
> >that the only interesting ones would be for in-kernel consumers.
> >Userspace verbs are another order of magnitude more problems, so they're
> >not too interesting.
>
> Hmm, most of these are userspace API experiences, and I would not be
> so quick as to dismiss their applicability, or their lessons.
The specific use-case of a RDMA to/from a logical linear region broken
up into HW pages is incredibly kernel specific, and very friendly to
hardware support.
Heck, on modern systems 100% of these requirements can be solved just
by using the IOMMU. No need for the HCA at all. (HCA may be more
performant, of course)
This is a huge pain for everyone. ie The Lustre devs were talking
about how Lustre is not performant on newer HCAs because their code
doesn't support the new MR scheme.
It makes sense to me to have a dedicated API for this work load:
'post outbound rdma send/write of page region'
'prepare inbound rdma write of page region'
'post rdma read, result into page region'
'complete X'
I'd love to see someone propose some patches :)
Jason
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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Tom Talpey <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Linux NFS Mailing List
<linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/16] NFS/RDMA patches proposed for 4.1
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 16:38:55 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150505223855.GA7696@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <554936E5.80607-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:32:21PM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote:
> >Do you have any information on these attempts and why the failed? Note
> >that the only interesting ones would be for in-kernel consumers.
> >Userspace verbs are another order of magnitude more problems, so they're
> >not too interesting.
>
> Hmm, most of these are userspace API experiences, and I would not be
> so quick as to dismiss their applicability, or their lessons.
The specific use-case of a RDMA to/from a logical linear region broken
up into HW pages is incredibly kernel specific, and very friendly to
hardware support.
Heck, on modern systems 100% of these requirements can be solved just
by using the IOMMU. No need for the HCA at all. (HCA may be more
performant, of course)
This is a huge pain for everyone. ie The Lustre devs were talking
about how Lustre is not performant on newer HCAs because their code
doesn't support the new MR scheme.
It makes sense to me to have a dedicated API for this work load:
'post outbound rdma send/write of page region'
'prepare inbound rdma write of page region'
'post rdma read, result into page region'
'complete X'
I'd love to see someone propose some patches :)
Jason
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-13 21:21 [PATCH v1 00/16] NFS/RDMA patches proposed for 4.1 Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:21 ` [PATCH v1 01/16] xprtrdma: Display IPv6 addresses and port numbers correctly Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:21 ` [PATCH v1 02/16] xprtrdma: Perform a full marshal on retransmit Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:21 ` [PATCH v1 03/16] xprtrdma: Add vector of ops for each memory registration strategy Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:21 ` [PATCH v1 04/16] xprtrdma: Add a "max_payload" op for each memreg mode Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:22 ` [PATCH v1 05/16] xprtrdma: Add a "register_external" " Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:22 ` [PATCH v1 06/16] xprtrdma: Add a "deregister_external" " Chuck Lever
2015-03-17 14:37 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-17 15:04 ` Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:22 ` [PATCH v1 07/16] xprtrdma: Add "init MRs" memreg op Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:22 ` [PATCH v1 08/16] xprtrdma: Add "reset " Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:22 ` [PATCH v1 09/16] xprtrdma: Add "destroy " Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:22 ` [PATCH v1 10/16] xprtrdma: Add "open" " Chuck Lever
2015-03-17 15:16 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-03-17 15:19 ` Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:23 ` [PATCH v1 11/16] xprtrdma: Handle non-SEND completions via a callout Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:23 ` [PATCH v1 12/16] xprtrdma: Acquire FMRs in rpcrdma_fmr_register_external() Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:23 ` [PATCH v1 13/16] xprtrdma: Acquire MRs in rpcrdma_register_external() Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:23 ` [PATCH v1 14/16] xprtrdma: Remove rpcrdma_ia::ri_memreg_strategy Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:23 ` [PATCH v1 15/16] xprtrdma: Make rpcrdma_{un}map_one() into inline functions Chuck Lever
2015-03-13 21:23 ` [PATCH v1 16/16] xprtrdma: Split rb_lock Chuck Lever
2015-05-05 15:44 ` [PATCH v1 00/16] NFS/RDMA patches proposed for 4.1 Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 15:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 16:04 ` Chuck Lever
2015-05-05 16:04 ` Chuck Lever
2015-05-05 17:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 17:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 18:14 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-05 18:14 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-05 19:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 19:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 20:57 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-05 20:57 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-05 21:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 21:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 21:32 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-05 21:32 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-05 22:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2015-05-05 22:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-06 0:16 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-06 0:16 ` Tom Talpey
2015-05-06 16:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-06 16:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-06 7:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2015-05-06 7:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2015-05-06 16:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-06 16:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-06 7:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-06 7:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-06 7:09 ` Bart Van Assche
2015-05-06 7:09 ` Bart Van Assche
2015-05-06 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-06 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-06 12:15 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-05-06 12:15 ` Sagi Grimberg
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2015-03-13 21:26 Chuck Lever
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