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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Weijie Yang <weijie.yang@samsung.com>,
	'Andrew Morton' <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	ngupta@vflare.org, 'Weijie Yang' <weijie.yang.kh@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] zram: clear disk io accounting when reset zram device
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:32:51 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150604023251.GB1951@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150604015305.GA2241@blaptop>

On (06/04/15 10:53), Minchan Kim wrote:
> > hm, sounds interesting, but I think it will end up being tricky.
> > 
> > zram_remove() will be called from device's sysfs node (now we call it from
> > zram_control sysfs class node, makes a huge difference). sysfs locks the node
> > until node's read/write handler returns back, so zram_remove() will be called
> > with lock(s_active#XXX) being locked (we had a lockdep splat with these locks
> > recently), while zram_remove()->sysfs_remove_group() will once again attempt
> > to lock this node (the very same lock(s_active#XXX)). in other words, we cannot
> > fully remove zram device from its sysfs attr. and I don't want to add any bool
> > flags to zram_remove() and zram_add() indicating that this is a "partial" device
> > remove: don't delete device's sysfs group in remove() and don't create it in add().
> > 
> > 
> > doing reset from zram_control is easy, for sure:
> > 	lock idr mutex,
> > 	do zram_remove() and zram_add()
> > 	unlock idr lock.
> > 
> > `echo ID > /sys/.../zram_control/reset`
> > 
> > no need to modify remove()/add() -- idr will pick up just released idx,
> > so device_id will be preserved. but it'll be hard to drop the per-device
> > `reset` attr and to make it a zram_control attr. things would have been
> > much simpler if all of zram users were also zramctl users. zramctl, from
> > this point of view, lets us change zram interfaces easily -- we merely need
> > to teach/modify zramctl, the rest is transparent.
> 
> Thanks for the looking.
> Fair enough.
> 
> So you mean you don't want to add any bool flags. Instead, you want to move
> reset interface into /sys/.../zram_control/reset and it would be transparent
> if everyone doesn't use raw interface.

I just described the ideal case -- moving reset to zram_control. which
is very much unlikely to happen. even if zramX/reset will become a symlink
to zram_control/reset user still will have to supply a device_id. it's too
late to change this, unfortunately.


> Somethings I have in mind.
> 
> We should change old interface(ie, /sys/block/zram0/reset) by just
> *implementation difficulty* which is just adding a bool flag?
> IMO, it's not a good reason to change old interface.
> I prefer adding a bool flag if it can meet our goal entirely.

well, we can add it. but it's hacky and tricky.


having a clear
"zram_add(void)/zram_remove(void)" vs. "zram_add(bool partial)/zram_remove(bool partial)".

apart from that, zram_add() will introduce additional 4 places where we
can fail to re-create the device:
-- zram = kzalloc(sizeof(struct zram), GFP_KERNEL);
-- ret = idr_alloc(&zram_index_idr, zram, 0, 0, GFP_KERNEL);
-- queue = blk_alloc_queue(GFP_KERNEL);
-- zram->disk = alloc_disk(1);


so, we don't destroy and create zram's sysfs_group. which means that we
better not kfree() and kzalloc() zram pointer, otherise we still need to
set up &disk_to_dev(zram->disk)->kobj. so 'bool partial' flag will now
also make zram kfree()/kmalloc() optional. if we have kfree()/kmalloc()
optional, then we probably should keep idr allocation optional as well. iow,
optional idr_alloc/idr_remove().

which sort of turns zram_add()/zram_remove() into a hell.
I need to think about it more.


> Another thing I repeated several times is that we cannot guarantee
> every users in the world will use zramctl forever so we should
> be careful to change interface even though a userland tool becomes
> popular.

no, of course I'm not saying that everyone is using zramctl nor I count
on it, zram is simply ~4 years older than zramctl.

*things would have been much simpler if* ...


	-ss

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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Weijie Yang <weijie.yang@samsung.com>,
	"'Andrew Morton'" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	ngupta@vflare.org, "'Weijie Yang'" <weijie.yang.kh@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] zram: clear disk io accounting when reset zram device
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:32:51 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150604023251.GB1951@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150604015305.GA2241@blaptop>

On (06/04/15 10:53), Minchan Kim wrote:
> > hm, sounds interesting, but I think it will end up being tricky.
> > 
> > zram_remove() will be called from device's sysfs node (now we call it from
> > zram_control sysfs class node, makes a huge difference). sysfs locks the node
> > until node's read/write handler returns back, so zram_remove() will be called
> > with lock(s_active#XXX) being locked (we had a lockdep splat with these locks
> > recently), while zram_remove()->sysfs_remove_group() will once again attempt
> > to lock this node (the very same lock(s_active#XXX)). in other words, we cannot
> > fully remove zram device from its sysfs attr. and I don't want to add any bool
> > flags to zram_remove() and zram_add() indicating that this is a "partial" device
> > remove: don't delete device's sysfs group in remove() and don't create it in add().
> > 
> > 
> > doing reset from zram_control is easy, for sure:
> > 	lock idr mutex,
> > 	do zram_remove() and zram_add()
> > 	unlock idr lock.
> > 
> > `echo ID > /sys/.../zram_control/reset`
> > 
> > no need to modify remove()/add() -- idr will pick up just released idx,
> > so device_id will be preserved. but it'll be hard to drop the per-device
> > `reset` attr and to make it a zram_control attr. things would have been
> > much simpler if all of zram users were also zramctl users. zramctl, from
> > this point of view, lets us change zram interfaces easily -- we merely need
> > to teach/modify zramctl, the rest is transparent.
> 
> Thanks for the looking.
> Fair enough.
> 
> So you mean you don't want to add any bool flags. Instead, you want to move
> reset interface into /sys/.../zram_control/reset and it would be transparent
> if everyone doesn't use raw interface.

I just described the ideal case -- moving reset to zram_control. which
is very much unlikely to happen. even if zramX/reset will become a symlink
to zram_control/reset user still will have to supply a device_id. it's too
late to change this, unfortunately.


> Somethings I have in mind.
> 
> We should change old interface(ie, /sys/block/zram0/reset) by just
> *implementation difficulty* which is just adding a bool flag?
> IMO, it's not a good reason to change old interface.
> I prefer adding a bool flag if it can meet our goal entirely.

well, we can add it. but it's hacky and tricky.


having a clear
"zram_add(void)/zram_remove(void)" vs. "zram_add(bool partial)/zram_remove(bool partial)".

apart from that, zram_add() will introduce additional 4 places where we
can fail to re-create the device:
-- zram = kzalloc(sizeof(struct zram), GFP_KERNEL);
-- ret = idr_alloc(&zram_index_idr, zram, 0, 0, GFP_KERNEL);
-- queue = blk_alloc_queue(GFP_KERNEL);
-- zram->disk = alloc_disk(1);


so, we don't destroy and create zram's sysfs_group. which means that we
better not kfree() and kzalloc() zram pointer, otherise we still need to
set up &disk_to_dev(zram->disk)->kobj. so 'bool partial' flag will now
also make zram kfree()/kmalloc() optional. if we have kfree()/kmalloc()
optional, then we probably should keep idr allocation optional as well. iow,
optional idr_alloc/idr_remove().

which sort of turns zram_add()/zram_remove() into a hell.
I need to think about it more.


> Another thing I repeated several times is that we cannot guarantee
> every users in the world will use zramctl forever so we should
> be careful to change interface even though a userland tool becomes
> popular.

no, of course I'm not saying that everyone is using zramctl nor I count
on it, zram is simply ~4 years older than zramctl.

*things would have been much simpler if* ...


	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-04  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-04  1:53 [PATCH] zram: clear disk io accounting when reset zram device Minchan Kim
2015-06-04  1:53 ` Minchan Kim
2015-06-04  2:32 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2015-06-04  2:32   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-05-29  3:23 Weijie Yang
2015-05-29  3:23 ` Weijie Yang
2015-05-29  3:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-05-29  3:41   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-05-29 14:54   ` Minchan Kim
2015-05-29 14:54     ` Minchan Kim
2015-05-30  4:16     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-05-30  4:16       ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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