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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"security@kernel.org" <security@kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/3] x86/ldt: allow to disable modify_ldt at runtime
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:37:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150727213716.GA19783@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jJDfnkRG2F=L37CnrgnCN4Yxh0p9QWbYFqQ_Jw5qk3HsQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:04:54PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 09:50:52AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:44:52PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> > I'm all for it, but I think it should be hard-disablable in config,
> >> > too, for the -tiny people.
> >>
> >> I totally agree.
> >>
> >> > If we add a runtime disable, let's do a
> >> > separate patch, and you and Kees can fight over how general it should
> >> > be.
> >>
> >> Initially I was thinking about changing it for a 3-state option but
> >> that would prevent X86_16BIT from being hard-disablable, so I'll do
> >> something completely separate.
> >
> > So here comes the proposed patch. It adds a default setting for the
> > sysctl when the option is not hard-disabled (eg: distros not wanting
> > to take risks with legacy apps). It suggests to leave the option off.
> > In case a syscall is blocked, a printk_ratelimited() is called with
> > relevant info (program name, pid, uid) so that the admin can decide
> > whether it's a legitimate call or not. Eg:
> >
> >   Denied a call to modify_ldt() from a.out[1736] (uid: 100). Adjust sysctl if this was not an exploit attempt.
> >
> > I personally think it completes well your series, hence the 4/3 numbering.
> > Feel free to adopt it if you cycle another round and if you're OK with it
> > of course.
> >
> > CCing Kees as well.
> 
> This patch looks reasonable, but I'd prefer a tri-state (enable,
> disable, hard-disable).

That was my first goal initially until I realized that the current two
options make it possible to also get rid of X86_16BIT as Andy did. I
don't see how to do this with the 3-state mode.

> I do something like this for Yama's ptrace
> zero to max_scope range (which "pins" to max_scope if set):
> 
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/security/yama/yama_lsm.c#n361

I agree with this and initially I intended to do something approximately
like this when I realized that for this specific case it didn't match the
pattern. In fact here we have the opportunity to completely remove support
for LDT changes, not just the modify_ldt() syscall. Then it makes sense to
have the two options here.

Regards,
Willy


  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-27 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-25  5:36 [PATCH v4 0/3] x86: modify_ldt improvement, test, and config option Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  5:36 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] x86/ldt: Make modify_ldt synchronous Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  5:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  9:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-25  9:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-25  5:36 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] x86/ldt: Make modify_ldt optional Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  6:23   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25  6:23   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25  6:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  6:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  7:50       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 13:03         ` [PATCH 4/3] x86/ldt: allow to disable modify_ldt at runtime Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 13:03         ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 16:08           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25 16:08           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25 16:33             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 16:33             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 17:42               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25 17:42               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25 18:45                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 18:45                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-27 19:04           ` Kees Cook
2015-07-27 19:04           ` Kees Cook
2015-07-27 21:37             ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2015-07-27 21:37             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25  7:50       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] x86/ldt: Make modify_ldt optional Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25  9:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-25  9:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-25 16:03     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25 16:03     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25 16:35       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25 16:35       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25  5:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  5:36 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] selftests/x86, x86/ldt: Add a selftest for modify_ldt Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  5:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 15:52   ` [PATCH v4.1 3.3] " Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 15:52   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-25  6:27 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] x86: modify_ldt improvement, test, and config option Willy Tarreau
2015-07-25  6:27 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-27 15:36 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 15:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 16:18     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 16:18     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28  2:20       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28  3:16         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28  3:16         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28  3:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28  3:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28  3:43           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28  3:43           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 10:29           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 14:05             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 14:35               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 14:35               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 14:50                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 14:50                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 15:15                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-28 15:15                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-28 15:39                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 15:39                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 15:23                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 15:59                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 15:59                     ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 15:23                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 14:05             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 15:43             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:30               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 17:07                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:07                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:10                   ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29  0:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  0:47                       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29  0:47                       ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29  3:01                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29  3:01                         ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29  4:26                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  4:26                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  5:28                           ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 14:21                             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 14:43                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 14:43                               ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 19:03                                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 19:03                                 ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 21:23                                   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 21:26                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 21:33                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 21:33                                       ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 21:37                                       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 22:05                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 22:05                                         ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 22:11                                           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 22:11                                           ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 22:40                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 22:40                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 22:46                                             ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2015-07-29 22:46                                               ` David Vrabel
2015-07-29 22:49                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 22:49                                               ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 22:55                                                 ` David Vrabel
2015-07-29 22:55                                                 ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2015-07-29 23:02                                                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 23:13                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 23:13                                                   ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30  0:29                                                     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-30 18:30                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 18:54                                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-30 20:01                                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-30 20:05                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 20:05                                                             ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 20:18                                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-30 20:18                                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-30 20:01                                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-30 18:54                                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-30 18:30                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30  0:29                                                     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 23:02                                                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 21:37                                       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29 21:26                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 21:23                                   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-29 14:21                             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-29  5:28                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  0:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:10                   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-28 16:30               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28 15:43             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 10:29           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  2:20       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 15:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 15:36 ` Boris Ostrovsky

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