From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>
Cc: eric.dumazet@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:22:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150831132210.GD31015@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150829210816.16551.qmail@ns.horizon.com>
On 08/29, George Spelvin wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 08/29, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >> So I'm wondering, is there any strong reason why we couldn't use a double
> >> linked list and still do FIFO and remove that silly linear list walking hack?
> >
> > This will obviously enlarge callback_head, and it is often embedded.
> > But this is minor.
> >
> > If we use a double linked list we can't do task_work_add() lockless.
> > So we will need another spinlock_t in task_struct. We can't use pi_lock.
>
> You only need a singly linked list for FIFO, but indeed lockless
> access is a pain.
>
> For a LIFO stack, you just do a single compare-and-swap on the head.
> Once an entry is in the list, it's immutable.
>
> For FIFO, you only need one pointer in the nodes, but two in the list
> head: a head pointer and a tail pointer.
Actually you need a single tail pointer, See 158e1645e07f3e9f7e49.
But this doesn't matter.
> The problem for lockless access is that you have to update both the next
> pointer and the tail pointer, and without very specialized instructions
> like 680x0's CAS2, there's no way to do them both atomically.
>
> So the procedure to append (write) to the list is:
> ...
> - But also, there's a sort of priority inversion problem. If a writer
> stalls here, no following writer is visible to the reader.
And this also means that the next writer which does task_work_add() +
task_work_cancel() will be suprised. Worse, this means that work->func()
doesn't own its callback_head/container_of. The previous tail is visible
to task_work_run().
Perhaps I missed something. But to me this all looks too clever ;)
Personally I'd prefer to just add another spinlock_t.
But so far I hope we can keep this stupid but simple "reverse the list"
loop.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-31 13:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-29 21:08 [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee George Spelvin
2015-08-31 13:22 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2015-08-31 15:21 ` George Spelvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-08-29 2:42 Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 3:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-29 9:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-29 12:54 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-31 6:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-31 12:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-29 12:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-29 13:57 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 14:11 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31 5:22 ` yalin wang
2015-09-05 5:19 ` Al Viro
2015-08-31 12:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-05 5:12 ` Al Viro
2015-09-05 5:42 ` Al Viro
2015-09-05 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-05 5:35 ` Al Viro
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