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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	vdavydov@parallels.com, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] memcg: punt high overage reclaim to return-to-userland path
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:12:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150915161218.GA12032@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150915155355.GH2905@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:53:55AM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Johannes.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 09:47:24AM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > Why can't we simply fail NOWAIT allocations when the high limit is
> > breached? We do the same for the max limit.
> 
> Because that can lead to continued systematic failures of NOWAIT
> allocations.  For that to work, we'll have to add async reclaimaing.
> 
> > As I see it, NOWAIT allocations are speculative attempts on available
> > memory. We should be able to just fail them and have somebody that is
> > allowed to reclaim try again, just like with the max limit.
> 
> Yes, but the assumption is that even back-to-back NOWAIT allocations
> won't continue to fail indefinitely.

But they have been failing indefinitely forever once you hit the hard
limit in the past. There was never an async reclaim provision there.

I can definitely see that the unconstrained high limit breaching needs
to be fixed one way or another, I just don't quite understand why you
chose to go for new semantics. Is there a new or a specific usecase
you had in mind when you chose deferred reclaim over simply failing?

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-15 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-13 18:59 [PATCH 1/2] memcg: flatten task_struct->memcg_oom Tejun Heo
2015-09-13 18:59 ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-13 19:00 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] memcg: punt high overage reclaim to return-to-userland path Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <20150913190008.GB25369-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-15  7:47     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-09-15  7:47       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-09-15 15:53       ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-15 16:12         ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
     [not found]           ` <20150915161218.GA12032-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-15 16:22             ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-15 16:22               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20150915162253.GI2905-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-15 16:33                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-09-15 16:33                   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found] ` <20150913185940.GA25369-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-15  7:37   ` [PATCH 1/2] memcg: flatten task_struct->memcg_oom Johannes Weiner
2015-09-15  7:37     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-09-20 14:45   ` Sasha Levin
2015-09-20 14:45     ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]     ` <55FEC685.5010404-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-21 20:01       ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-21 20:01         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20150921200141.GH13263-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-30 18:54           ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-30 18:54             ` Tejun Heo
2015-11-25 14:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-25 14:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]             ` <20151125144354.GB17308-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-25 15:02               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-25 15:02                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-25 15:31                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
     [not found]                   ` <CAPAsAGwa9-7UBUnhysfek3kyWKMgaUJRwtDPEqas1rKwkeTtoA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-25 17:34                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-25 17:34                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2015-11-25 17:44                   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <20151125174449.GD17308-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 16:25                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-11 16:25                         ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-15 19:22                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-30  9:23                           ` [PATCH v4.4-rc7] sched: isolate task_struct bitfields according to synchronization domains Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20151230092337.GD3873-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-30 20:10                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-30 20:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-30 20:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                 ` <CA+55aFx0WxoUPrOPaq3HxM+YUQQ0DPV-c3f8kE1ec7agERb_Lg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-30 20:41                                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-30 20:41                                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-30 20:43                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-01  2:56                                   ` [PATCH v4.4-rc7] sched: move sched lock synchronized bitfields in task_struct into ->atomic_flags Tejun Heo
2016-01-01  2:56                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20160101025628.GA3660-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-06 13:44                                       ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-06 13:44                                         ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-06 18:48                 ` [tip:sched/core] sched/core: Fix unserialized r-m-w scribbling stuff tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-06 20:17                   ` Tejun Heo

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