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From: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
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	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Korsgaard <peter@korsgaard.com>,
	Fabio Estevam <festevam@gmail.com>,
	Kieran Bingham <kieranbingham@gmail.com>,
	"kernel@stlinux.com" <kernel@stlinux.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] hwrng: Add support for STMicroelectronics' RNG IP
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:50:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150930145034.GE27197@x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150930142812.GA19039@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 03:15:39PM +0100, Lee Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I prefer not to merge patches that cannot be tested.  Without
> > > the DT bits in patch 6 the other five patches are useless.  So
> > > I think patch 6 should be applied together with the other five
> > > which add the driver.
> > 
> > That's crazy talk.  If all subsystem maintainers abide by this rule
> > there would be chaos.  We'd either need to send pull-requests to each
> > other for every set which crossed a subsystems boundary, or 1000's of
> > merge conflicts would ensue at merge time.
> > 
> > The (sensible) rule we normally stick to is; as long as there isn't
> > a _build_ dependency, then the patches should filter though their
> > respective trees; _functional_ dependencies have nothing to do with
> > us as maintainers.  Another chaos preventing rule we abide by is; thou
> > shalt not apply patches belonging to other maintainer's subsystems
> > without the appropriate Ack-by and a subsequent "you may take this
> > though your tree" and/or "please send me an immutable pull-request".
> 
> So you want the series to be merged in two parts via two different
> trees where neither can be tested? That sounds crazy to me.

Who is going to checkout the HWRNG tree and run-test it on it's own on
all of the required hardware?  No one.  Agreed, subsystem trees should
be bisectably (new word? :D) buildable as per my first rule above, but
that's it.  Per-subsystem repos are not designed to be tested for
full-functionality orthogonally, that's the point of Stephen's -next
tree.

Please take my other points into consideration too.  The kernel would
be unmainatinable if we all stuck to your rule.  No-one else has that
rule, and for good reason.

-- 
Lee Jones
Linaro STMicroelectronics Landing Team Lead
Linaro.org │ Open source software for ARM SoCs
Follow Linaro: Facebook | Twitter | Blog

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From: lee.jones@linaro.org (Lee Jones)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 0/7] hwrng: Add support for STMicroelectronics' RNG IP
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:50:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150930145034.GE27197@x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150930142812.GA19039@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 03:15:39PM +0100, Lee Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I prefer not to merge patches that cannot be tested.  Without
> > > the DT bits in patch 6 the other five patches are useless.  So
> > > I think patch 6 should be applied together with the other five
> > > which add the driver.
> > 
> > That's crazy talk.  If all subsystem maintainers abide by this rule
> > there would be chaos.  We'd either need to send pull-requests to each
> > other for every set which crossed a subsystems boundary, or 1000's of
> > merge conflicts would ensue at merge time.
> > 
> > The (sensible) rule we normally stick to is; as long as there isn't
> > a _build_ dependency, then the patches should filter though their
> > respective trees; _functional_ dependencies have nothing to do with
> > us as maintainers.  Another chaos preventing rule we abide by is; thou
> > shalt not apply patches belonging to other maintainer's subsystems
> > without the appropriate Ack-by and a subsequent "you may take this
> > though your tree" and/or "please send me an immutable pull-request".
> 
> So you want the series to be merged in two parts via two different
> trees where neither can be tested? That sounds crazy to me.

Who is going to checkout the HWRNG tree and run-test it on it's own on
all of the required hardware?  No one.  Agreed, subsystem trees should
be bisectably (new word? :D) buildable as per my first rule above, but
that's it.  Per-subsystem repos are not designed to be tested for
full-functionality orthogonally, that's the point of Stephen's -next
tree.

Please take my other points into consideration too.  The kernel would
be unmainatinable if we all stuck to your rule.  No-one else has that
rule, and for good reason.

-- 
Lee Jones
Linaro STMicroelectronics Landing Team Lead
Linaro.org ? Open source software for ARM SoCs
Follow Linaro: Facebook | Twitter | Blog

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-30 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-17 13:45 [PATCH v2 0/7] hwrng: Add support for STMicroelectronics' RNG IP Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45 ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] Documentation: hw_random: Fix device node name reference /dev/hw_random => /dev/hwrng Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
     [not found]   ` <1442497557-9271-2-git-send-email-lee.jones-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-18 10:18     ` Kieran Bingham
2015-09-18 10:18       ` Kieran Bingham
2015-09-18 10:18       ` Kieran Bingham
2015-09-17 13:45 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] hwrng: Kconfig: " Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 10:19   ` Kieran Bingham
2015-09-18 10:19     ` Kieran Bingham
2015-09-17 13:45 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] hwrng: core: Simplify RNG switching from sysfs Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 14:08   ` Peter Korsgaard
2015-09-17 14:08     ` Peter Korsgaard
     [not found] ` <1442497557-9271-1-git-send-email-lee.jones-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-17 13:45   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] hwrng: st: Provide DT bindings for ST's Random Number Generator Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45     ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45     ` Lee Jones
     [not found]     ` <1442497557-9271-5-git-send-email-lee.jones-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-18 16:21       ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-18 16:21         ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-18 16:21         ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-18 16:23         ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 16:23           ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 14:07   ` [PATCH v2 0/7] hwrng: Add support for STMicroelectronics' RNG IP Herbert Xu
2015-09-18 14:07     ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-18 14:07     ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-18 14:53     ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 14:53       ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 15:11       ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-18 15:11         ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-18 15:51         ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 15:51           ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 23:12           ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-18 23:12             ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-19  9:21             ` Lee Jones
2015-09-19  9:21               ` Lee Jones
2015-09-20  1:23               ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-20  1:23                 ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-20  4:39                 ` Lee Jones
2015-09-20  4:39                   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-29 14:29           ` Lee Jones
2015-09-29 14:29             ` Lee Jones
2015-09-30 13:47             ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-30 13:47               ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-30 14:15               ` Lee Jones
2015-09-30 14:15                 ` Lee Jones
2015-09-30 14:28                 ` Herbert Xu
2015-09-30 14:28                   ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                   ` <20150930142812.GA19039-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-30 14:49                     ` [STLinux Kernel] " Maxime Coquelin
2015-09-30 14:49                       ` Maxime Coquelin
2015-09-30 14:49                       ` Maxime Coquelin
2015-09-30 14:49                       ` Maxime Coquelin
2015-09-30 14:50                   ` Lee Jones [this message]
2015-09-30 14:50                     ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] hwrng: st: Add support for ST's HW Random Number Generator Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-18 10:44   ` Kieran Bingham
2015-09-18 10:44     ` Kieran Bingham
2015-10-05 10:44   ` Daniel Thompson
2015-10-05 10:44     ` Daniel Thompson
2015-10-05 12:11     ` Lee Jones
2015-10-05 12:11       ` Lee Jones
2015-10-05 12:54       ` Daniel Thompson
2015-10-05 12:54         ` Daniel Thompson
2015-10-05 14:52         ` Lee Jones
2015-10-05 14:52           ` Lee Jones
2015-10-05 14:52           ` Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] ARM: STi: STiH407: Enable the 2 HW Random Number Generators for STiH4{07,10} Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` [PATCH v2 6/7] ARM: STi: STiH407: Enable the 2 HW Random Number Generators for STiH4{07, 10} Lee Jones
2015-10-01 10:57   ` [STLinux Kernel] " Maxime Coquelin
2015-10-01 10:57     ` Maxime Coquelin
2015-10-01 10:57     ` Maxime Coquelin
2015-09-17 13:45 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] MAINTAINERS: Add ST's Random Number Generator to the ST entry Lee Jones
2015-09-17 13:45   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-29  9:20 ` [STLinux Kernel] [PATCH v2 0/7] hwrng: Add support for STMicroelectronics' RNG IP Peter Griffin
2015-09-29  9:20   ` Peter Griffin
2015-09-29 10:42   ` Lee Jones
2015-09-29 10:42     ` Lee Jones

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