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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Vlad Zolotarov <vladz@cloudius-systems.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hjk@hansjkoch.de, corbet@lwn.net,
	bruce.richardson@intel.com, avi@cloudius-systems.com,
	gleb@cloudius-systems.com, stephen@networkplumber.org,
	alexander.duyck@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] uio: add ioctl support
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 23:02:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151005225157-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561252B3.4000406@cloudius-systems.com>

On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 01:36:35PM +0300, Vlad Zolotarov wrote:
> >And then there's the issue of why we even need this, why not just
> >write a whole new driver for this, like the previous driver did (which
> >also used ioctls, yes, I didn't have the chance to object to that before
> >everyone else did...)
> 
> Which "previous driver" do u refer here?
> IMHO writing something instead of UIO (not just uio_pci_generic) seems like
> an overkill for solving this issue. Supporting MSI-X interrupts seem like a
> very beneficial feature for uio_pci_generic and it's really not _THAT_
> complicated API - just look at VFIO for a comparison... ;)

Except most things VFIO does is actually there for security.
Which, for a device that can do DMA and isn't even behind an IOMMU,
sounds like a pretty big deal actually.

> uio_pci_generic is clearly missing this important feature. And creating
> another user space driver infrastructure just to add it seems extremely
> unjustified.

uio_pci_generic was always intended to be used with extremely simple
devices which don't do DMA, or where someone else has set up the IOMMU
(like kvm does with CONFIG_KVM_DEVICE_ASSIGNMENT).

We need to be much more careful with MSI if there's no IOMMU.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-05 20:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-04 20:43 [PATCH v3 0/3] uio: add MSI/MSI-X support to uio_pci_generic driver Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-04 20:43 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] uio: add ioctl support Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05  3:03   ` Greg KH
2015-10-05  7:33     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05  8:01       ` Greg KH
2015-10-05 10:36         ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 20:02           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
     [not found]             ` <CAOYyTHZ2=UCYxuJKvd5S6qxp=84DBq5bMadg5wL0rFLZBh2-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
2015-10-05 22:29               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06  8:33                 ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 14:19                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 14:30                     ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-06 15:19                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 15:31                         ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 15:57                         ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-04 20:43 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] uio_pci_generic: add MSI/MSI-X support Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05  3:11   ` Greg KH
2015-10-05  7:41     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05  7:56       ` Greg KH
2015-10-05 10:48         ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 10:57           ` Greg KH
2015-10-05 11:09             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-05 13:08               ` Greg KH
2015-10-05 11:41             ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 11:47               ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-05 11:53                 ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05  8:28     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-05  9:49       ` Greg KH
2015-10-05 10:20         ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-06 14:38           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 14:43             ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 14:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 15:23                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-06 18:51                   ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-06 21:32                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-06 21:41                       ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]                         ` <CAOaVG152OrQz-Bbnpr0VeE+vLH7nMGsG6A3sD7eTQHormNGVUg@mail.gmail.com>
2015-10-07  7:57                           ` Vlad Zolotarov
     [not found]                           ` <5614C160.6000203@scylladb.com>
2015-10-07  8:00                             ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-07  8:01                               ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-07  6:52                     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-07 16:31                       ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-07 16:39                         ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-07 21:05                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  4:19                             ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08  7:41                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  7:59                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08  9:38                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  9:45                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08 12:15                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  5:33                             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-08  7:32                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  8:46                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-08  9:16                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  9:44                                     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-08 12:06                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08 12:27                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08 13:20                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08 13:28                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08 16:43                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08 17:01                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08 17:39                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08 17:53                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08 18:38                                                     ` Greg KH
2015-10-08  8:32                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08  8:52                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-08  9:19                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-08 10:26                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08 13:20                                     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-08 14:17                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-08 15:31                                       ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-07 20:05                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-07  7:55                     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-08  8:48                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 15:28                 ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 14:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 15:27         ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-05  8:41   ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-05  9:08     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 10:06       ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 20:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-05  9:11     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 19:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-04 20:43 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Documentation: update uio-howto Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-04 20:45 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] uio: add MSI/MSI-X support to uio_pci_generic driver Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-05 19:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06  8:37   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 14:30     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 14:40       ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 15:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 16:35           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 15:11       ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-06 15:15         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 16:00           ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-06 16:09           ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-07 10:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-07 10:28               ` Avi Kivity
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-10-04 20:39 Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-04 20:39 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] uio: add ioctl support Vlad Zolotarov

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