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From: Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] mm: memcontrol: hook up vmpressure to socket pressure
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:54:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151115135457.GM31308@esperanza> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447371693-25143-15-git-send-email-hannes@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 06:41:33PM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> Let the networking stack know when a memcg is under reclaim pressure
> so that it can clamp its transmit windows accordingly.
> 
> Whenever the reclaim efficiency of a cgroup's LRU lists drops low
> enough for a MEDIUM or HIGH vmpressure event to occur, assert a
> pressure state in the socket and tcp memory code that tells it to curb
> consumption growth from sockets associated with said control group.
> 
> vmpressure events are naturally edge triggered, so for hysteresis
> assert socket pressure for a second to allow for subsequent vmpressure
> events to occur before letting the socket code return to normal.

AFAICS, in contrast to v1, now you don't modify vmpressure behavior,
which means socket_pressure will only be set when cgroup hits its
high/hard limit. On tightly packed system, this is unlikely IMO -
cgroups will mostly experience pressure due to memory shortage at the
global level and/or their low limit configuration, in which case no
vmpressure events will be triggered and therefore tcp window won't be
clamped accordingly.

May be, we could use a per memcg slab shrinker to detect memory
pressure? This looks like abusing shrinkers API though.

Thanks,
Vladimir

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From: Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<cgroups@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] mm: memcontrol: hook up vmpressure to socket pressure
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:54:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151115135457.GM31308@esperanza> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447371693-25143-15-git-send-email-hannes@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 06:41:33PM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> Let the networking stack know when a memcg is under reclaim pressure
> so that it can clamp its transmit windows accordingly.
> 
> Whenever the reclaim efficiency of a cgroup's LRU lists drops low
> enough for a MEDIUM or HIGH vmpressure event to occur, assert a
> pressure state in the socket and tcp memory code that tells it to curb
> consumption growth from sockets associated with said control group.
> 
> vmpressure events are naturally edge triggered, so for hysteresis
> assert socket pressure for a second to allow for subsequent vmpressure
> events to occur before letting the socket code return to normal.

AFAICS, in contrast to v1, now you don't modify vmpressure behavior,
which means socket_pressure will only be set when cgroup hits its
high/hard limit. On tightly packed system, this is unlikely IMO -
cgroups will mostly experience pressure due to memory shortage at the
global level and/or their low limit configuration, in which case no
vmpressure events will be triggered and therefore tcp window won't be
clamped accordingly.

May be, we could use a per memcg slab shrinker to detect memory
pressure? This looks like abusing shrinkers API though.

Thanks,
Vladimir

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<cgroups@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] mm: memcontrol: hook up vmpressure to socket pressure
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:54:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151115135457.GM31308@esperanza> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447371693-25143-15-git-send-email-hannes@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 06:41:33PM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> Let the networking stack know when a memcg is under reclaim pressure
> so that it can clamp its transmit windows accordingly.
> 
> Whenever the reclaim efficiency of a cgroup's LRU lists drops low
> enough for a MEDIUM or HIGH vmpressure event to occur, assert a
> pressure state in the socket and tcp memory code that tells it to curb
> consumption growth from sockets associated with said control group.
> 
> vmpressure events are naturally edge triggered, so for hysteresis
> assert socket pressure for a second to allow for subsequent vmpressure
> events to occur before letting the socket code return to normal.

AFAICS, in contrast to v1, now you don't modify vmpressure behavior,
which means socket_pressure will only be set when cgroup hits its
high/hard limit. On tightly packed system, this is unlikely IMO -
cgroups will mostly experience pressure due to memory shortage at the
global level and/or their low limit configuration, in which case no
vmpressure events will be triggered and therefore tcp window won't be
clamped accordingly.

May be, we could use a per memcg slab shrinker to detect memory
pressure? This looks like abusing shrinkers API though.

Thanks,
Vladimir

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-15 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-12 23:41 [PATCH 00/14] mm: memcontrol: account socket memory in unified hierarchy Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 01/14] mm: memcontrol: export root_mem_cgroup Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]   ` <1447371693-25143-2-git-send-email-hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 15:59     ` David Miller
2015-11-13 15:59       ` David Miller
2015-11-13 15:59       ` David Miller
2015-11-14 12:17   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:17     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:17     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 02/14] mm: vmscan: simplify memcg vs. global shrinker invocation Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13 15:59   ` David Miller
2015-11-13 15:59     ` David Miller
2015-11-14 12:36   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:36     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:36     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 15:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-14 15:06       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 03/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: properly detect ancestor socket pressure Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13 16:00   ` David Miller
2015-11-13 16:00     ` David Miller
     [not found]   ` <1447371693-25143-4-git-send-email-hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-14 12:45     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:45       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:45       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 12:45       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 15:15       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-14 15:15         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 04/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: remove bogus hierarchy pressure propagation Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13 16:00   ` David Miller
2015-11-13 16:00     ` David Miller
2015-11-20  9:07   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20  9:07     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20  9:07     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 05/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: protect all tcp_memcontrol calls by jump-label Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]   ` <1447371693-25143-6-git-send-email-hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 16:01     ` David Miller
2015-11-13 16:01       ` David Miller
2015-11-13 16:01       ` David Miller
2015-11-14 16:33   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 16:33     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 16:33     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-16 17:52     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 17:52       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 17:52       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 06/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: remove dead per-memcg count of allocated sockets Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13 16:01   ` David Miller
2015-11-13 16:01     ` David Miller
2015-11-20  9:48   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20  9:48     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20  9:48     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 07/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: simplify the per-memcg limit access Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20  9:51   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20  9:51     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20  9:51     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 08/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: sanitize tcp memory accounting callbacks Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13  4:53   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-13  4:53     ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]     ` <1447390418.22599.34.camel-XN9IlZ5yJG9HTL0Zs8A6p/gx64E7kk8eUsxypvmhUTTZJqsBc5GL+g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13  5:44       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13  5:44         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13  5:44         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13  5:44         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 10:58   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 10:58     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 10:58     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 18:42     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 18:42       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 18:42       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 09/14] net: tcp_memcontrol: simplify linkage between socket and page counter Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 12:42   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 12:42     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 12:42     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 18:56     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 18:56       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-23  9:36       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23  9:36         ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23  9:36         ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23 18:20         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-23 18:20           ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]           ` <20151123182037.GE13000-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 13:43             ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-24 13:43               ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-24 13:43               ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-24 13:43               ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 10/14] mm: memcontrol: generalize the socket accounting jump label Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13 10:43   ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-13 10:43     ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-14 13:29   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 13:29     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 13:29     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 11/14] mm: memcontrol: do not account memory+swap on unified hierarchy Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-13 10:37   ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-13 10:37     ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-14 13:23   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 13:23     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-14 13:23     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 12/14] mm: memcontrol: move socket code for unified hierarchy accounting Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 12:44   ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 12:44     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 12:44     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 13/14] mm: memcontrol: account socket memory in unified hierarchy memory controller Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 15:59   ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-16 15:59     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <20151116155923.GH14116-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 18:18       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 18:18         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 18:18         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 18:18         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-18 16:22         ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-18 16:22           ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-18 21:48           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-18 21:48             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-19 13:50             ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-19 13:50               ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]               ` <20151119135023.GH8494-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-19 16:52                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-19 16:52                   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-19 16:52                   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]   ` <1447371693-25143-14-git-send-email-hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 13:10     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 13:10       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 13:10       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 13:10       ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-20 19:25       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 19:25         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-20 19:25         ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]         ` <20151120192506.GD5623-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-23 10:00           ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23 10:00             ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23 10:00             ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23 10:00             ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-23 19:31             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-23 19:31               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41 ` [PATCH 14/14] mm: memcontrol: hook up vmpressure to socket pressure Johannes Weiner
2015-11-12 23:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-15 13:54   ` Vladimir Davydov [this message]
2015-11-15 13:54     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-15 13:54     ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-16 18:53     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-16 18:53       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]       ` <20151116185316.GC32544-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-17 20:18         ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-17 20:18           ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-17 20:18           ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-17 20:18           ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-17 22:22           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-17 22:22             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-17 22:22             ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]             ` <20151117222217.GA20394-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 16:02               ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-18 16:02                 ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-18 16:02                 ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-18 16:02                 ` Vladimir Davydov
2015-11-18 18:27                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-18 18:27                   ` Johannes Weiner

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