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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/page_ref: add tracepoint to track down page reference manipulation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:50:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151119065015.GB15540@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <564C9A86.1090906@suse.cz>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 04:34:30PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 11/09/2015 08:23 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> > CMA allocation should be guaranteed to succeed by definition, but,
> > unfortunately, it would be failed sometimes. It is hard to track down
> > the problem, because it is related to page reference manipulation and
> > we don't have any facility to analyze it.
> 
> Reminds me of the PeterZ's VM_PINNED patchset. What happened to it?
> https://lwn.net/Articles/600502/
> 
> > This patch adds tracepoints to track down page reference manipulation.
> > With it, we can find exact reason of failure and can fix the problem.
> > Following is an example of tracepoint output.
> > 
> > <...>-9018  [004]    92.678375: page_ref_set:         pfn=0x17ac9 flags=0x0 count=1 mapcount=0 mapping=(nil) mt=4 val=1
> > <...>-9018  [004]    92.678378: kernel_stack:
> >  => get_page_from_freelist (ffffffff81176659)
> >  => __alloc_pages_nodemask (ffffffff81176d22)
> >  => alloc_pages_vma (ffffffff811bf675)
> >  => handle_mm_fault (ffffffff8119e693)
> >  => __do_page_fault (ffffffff810631ea)
> >  => trace_do_page_fault (ffffffff81063543)
> >  => do_async_page_fault (ffffffff8105c40a)
> >  => async_page_fault (ffffffff817581d8)
> > [snip]
> > <...>-9018  [004]    92.678379: page_ref_mod:         pfn=0x17ac9 flags=0x40048 count=2 mapcount=1 mapping=0xffff880015a78dc1 mt=4 val=1
> > [snip]
> > ...
> > ...
> > <...>-9131  [001]    93.174468: test_pages_isolated:  start_pfn=0x17800 end_pfn=0x17c00 fin_pfn=0x17ac9 ret=fail
> > [snip]
> > <...>-9018  [004]    93.174843: page_ref_mod_and_test: pfn=0x17ac9 flags=0x40068 count=0 mapcount=0 mapping=0xffff880015a78dc1 mt=4 val=-1 ret=1
> >  => release_pages (ffffffff8117c9e4)
> >  => free_pages_and_swap_cache (ffffffff811b0697)
> >  => tlb_flush_mmu_free (ffffffff81199616)
> >  => tlb_finish_mmu (ffffffff8119a62c)
> >  => exit_mmap (ffffffff811a53f7)
> >  => mmput (ffffffff81073f47)
> >  => do_exit (ffffffff810794e9)
> >  => do_group_exit (ffffffff81079def)
> >  => SyS_exit_group (ffffffff81079e74)
> >  => entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath (ffffffff817560b6)
> > 
> > This output shows that problem comes from exit path. In exit path,
> > to improve performance, pages are not freed immediately. They are gathered
> > and processed by batch. During this process, migration cannot be possible
> > and CMA allocation is failed. This problem is hard to find without this
> > page reference tracepoint facility.
> 
> Yeah but when you realized it was this problem, what was the fix? Probably not
> remove batching from exit path? Shouldn't CMA in this case just try waiting for
> the pins to go away, which would eventually happen? And for long-term pins,
> VM_PINNED would make sure the pages are migrated away from CMA pageblocks first?
> 
> So I'm worried that this is quite nontrivial change for a very specific usecase.

This patch is not to solve the problem but just to expose what is culprit.

For using VM_PINNED, firstly, we should know where are long-term pins.
There are obviously clear places which will be first target if we use
VM_PINNED but somewhere are vague. For vague places, this patch will
help finding there. Even we don't use VM_PINNED, this patch will expose
current obstacle which can help to understand current problems.

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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/page_ref: add tracepoint to track down page reference manipulation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:50:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151119065015.GB15540@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <564C9A86.1090906@suse.cz>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 04:34:30PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 11/09/2015 08:23 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> > CMA allocation should be guaranteed to succeed by definition, but,
> > unfortunately, it would be failed sometimes. It is hard to track down
> > the problem, because it is related to page reference manipulation and
> > we don't have any facility to analyze it.
> 
> Reminds me of the PeterZ's VM_PINNED patchset. What happened to it?
> https://lwn.net/Articles/600502/
> 
> > This patch adds tracepoints to track down page reference manipulation.
> > With it, we can find exact reason of failure and can fix the problem.
> > Following is an example of tracepoint output.
> > 
> > <...>-9018  [004]    92.678375: page_ref_set:         pfn=0x17ac9 flags=0x0 count=1 mapcount=0 mapping=(nil) mt=4 val=1
> > <...>-9018  [004]    92.678378: kernel_stack:
> >  => get_page_from_freelist (ffffffff81176659)
> >  => __alloc_pages_nodemask (ffffffff81176d22)
> >  => alloc_pages_vma (ffffffff811bf675)
> >  => handle_mm_fault (ffffffff8119e693)
> >  => __do_page_fault (ffffffff810631ea)
> >  => trace_do_page_fault (ffffffff81063543)
> >  => do_async_page_fault (ffffffff8105c40a)
> >  => async_page_fault (ffffffff817581d8)
> > [snip]
> > <...>-9018  [004]    92.678379: page_ref_mod:         pfn=0x17ac9 flags=0x40048 count=2 mapcount=1 mapping=0xffff880015a78dc1 mt=4 val=1
> > [snip]
> > ...
> > ...
> > <...>-9131  [001]    93.174468: test_pages_isolated:  start_pfn=0x17800 end_pfn=0x17c00 fin_pfn=0x17ac9 ret=fail
> > [snip]
> > <...>-9018  [004]    93.174843: page_ref_mod_and_test: pfn=0x17ac9 flags=0x40068 count=0 mapcount=0 mapping=0xffff880015a78dc1 mt=4 val=-1 ret=1
> >  => release_pages (ffffffff8117c9e4)
> >  => free_pages_and_swap_cache (ffffffff811b0697)
> >  => tlb_flush_mmu_free (ffffffff81199616)
> >  => tlb_finish_mmu (ffffffff8119a62c)
> >  => exit_mmap (ffffffff811a53f7)
> >  => mmput (ffffffff81073f47)
> >  => do_exit (ffffffff810794e9)
> >  => do_group_exit (ffffffff81079def)
> >  => SyS_exit_group (ffffffff81079e74)
> >  => entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath (ffffffff817560b6)
> > 
> > This output shows that problem comes from exit path. In exit path,
> > to improve performance, pages are not freed immediately. They are gathered
> > and processed by batch. During this process, migration cannot be possible
> > and CMA allocation is failed. This problem is hard to find without this
> > page reference tracepoint facility.
> 
> Yeah but when you realized it was this problem, what was the fix? Probably not
> remove batching from exit path? Shouldn't CMA in this case just try waiting for
> the pins to go away, which would eventually happen? And for long-term pins,
> VM_PINNED would make sure the pages are migrated away from CMA pageblocks first?
> 
> So I'm worried that this is quite nontrivial change for a very specific usecase.

This patch is not to solve the problem but just to expose what is culprit.

For using VM_PINNED, firstly, we should know where are long-term pins.
There are obviously clear places which will be first target if we use
VM_PINNED but somewhere are vague. For vague places, this patch will
help finding there. Even we don't use VM_PINNED, this patch will expose
current obstacle which can help to understand current problems.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-19  6:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-09  7:23 [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce page reference manipulation functions Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09  7:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09  7:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09  7:23 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/page_ref: add tracepoint to track down page reference manipulation Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09  7:23   ` Joonsoo Kim
     [not found]   ` <1447053784-27811-2-git-send-email-iamjoonsoo.kim-Hm3cg6mZ9cc@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-10 16:02     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2015-11-10 16:02       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2015-11-10 16:02       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2015-11-18 15:34   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-11-18 15:34     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-11-19  6:50     ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2015-11-19  6:50       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-20  6:33     ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-20  6:33       ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-20 16:42       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-11-20 16:42         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-11-23  8:28         ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-23  8:28           ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-23 14:26           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-11-23 14:26             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-11-23 14:26             ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]             ` <20151123092604.7ec1397d-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24  1:45               ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-24  1:45                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-24  1:45                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-03  4:16                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-03  4:16                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-09 20:01                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-09 20:01                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-10  2:50                     ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-10  2:50                       ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-10  3:36                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-10  3:36                         ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                         ` <20151209223648.4e9122b5-2kNGR76GQU9OHLTnHDQRgA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-10  4:07                           ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-10  4:07                             ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-12-10  4:07                             ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-24  1:56               ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-24  1:56                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-24  1:56                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09  7:53 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce page reference manipulation functions Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-09  7:53   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-09  8:00   ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09  8:00     ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-09 11:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-09 11:45       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
     [not found]       ` <20151109114537.GA3903-sVvlyX1904swdBt8bTSxpkEMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-10  0:28         ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-10  0:28           ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-11-10  0:28           ` Joonsoo Kim
     [not found] ` <1447053784-27811-1-git-send-email-iamjoonsoo.kim-Hm3cg6mZ9cc@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-10 15:58   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2015-11-10 15:58     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2015-11-10 15:58     ` Michal Nazarewicz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-15  3:04 js1304-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2016-02-15  3:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/page_ref: add tracepoint to track down page reference manipulation js1304
2016-02-15  3:04   ` js1304
2016-02-15  5:08   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-15  5:08     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-15  5:28     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-15  5:28       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-15  5:28       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-15 14:18       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-15 14:18         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-15 14:18         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-15 16:07   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-15 16:07     ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]     ` <20160215110741.7c0c5039-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-16  0:47       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-16  0:47         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-16  0:47         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-16  1:16         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-16  1:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-18  7:46           ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-18  7:46             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-18 14:20             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-18 14:20               ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]   ` <1455505490-12376-2-git-send-email-iamjoonsoo.kim-Hm3cg6mZ9cc@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-18 14:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-18 14:29       ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-18 14:29       ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]       ` <20160218092926.083ca007-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-19  0:34         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-19  0:34           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-19  0:34           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-19  1:39           ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-19  1:39             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-19  1:39             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-19  1:46             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-19  1:46               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-19  2:15             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-19  2:15               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-19  1:20       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-02-19  1:20         ` Joonsoo Kim

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