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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it>
Subject: Re: [RFCv6 PATCH 09/10] sched: deadline: use deadline bandwidth in scale_rt_capacity
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:51:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151214165128.GU6357@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtAVmS6BHWcGz4cB0bpEE91QzU5sSmMWZB9j_vpK0qjwHg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 04:56:17PM +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> I agree that if the WCET is far from reality, we will underestimate
> available capacity for CFS. Have you got some use case in mind which
> overestimates the WCET ?

Pretty much any 'correct' WCET is pessimistic. There's heaps of smart
people working on improving WCET bounds, but they're still out there.
This is mostly because of the .00001% tail cases that 'never' happen but
would make your tokamak burn a hole just when you're outside.

> If we can't rely on this parameters to evaluate the amount of capacity
> used by deadline scheduler on a core, this will imply that we can't
> also use it for requesting capacity to cpufreq and we should fallback
> on a monitoring mechanism which reacts to a change instead of
> anticipating it.

No, since the WCET can and _will_ happen, its the best you can do with
cpufreq. If you were to set it lower you could not be able to execute
correctly in your 'never' tail cases.

There 'might' be smart pants ways around this, where you run part of the
execution at lower speed and switch to a higher speed to 'catch' up if
you exceed some boundary, such that, on average, you run at the same
speed the WCET mandates, but I'm not sure that's worth it. Juri/Luca
might know.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-14 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-09  6:19 [RFCv6 PATCH 00/10] sched: scheduler-driven CPU frequency selection Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 01/10] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 02/10] cpufreq: introduce cpufreq_driver_is_slow Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 03/10] sched: scheduler-driven cpu frequency selection Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:04   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  2:02     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-15 10:31       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-16  1:22         ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-16  3:48   ` Leo Yan
2015-12-17  1:24     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-17  7:17       ` Leo Yan
2015-12-18 19:15         ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-19  5:54           ` Leo Yan
2016-01-25 12:06   ` Ricky Liang
2016-01-27  1:14     ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-01 17:10   ` Ricky Liang
2016-02-11  4:44     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 04/10] sched/fair: add triggers for OPP change requests Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 05/10] sched/{core,fair}: trigger OPP change request on fork() Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 06/10] sched/fair: cpufreq_sched triggers for load balancing Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 07/10] sched/fair: jump to max OPP when crossing UP threshold Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:12   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  2:42     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 08/10] sched: remove call of sched_avg_update from sched_rt_avg_update Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 09/10] sched: deadline: use deadline bandwidth in scale_rt_capacity Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  8:50   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-10 13:27     ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-10 16:11       ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-11  7:48         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 14:02           ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 14:38             ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 15:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-14 15:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 16:07       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-14 21:19         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 16:51       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-12-14 21:31         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 13:30             ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 13:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 21:24                 ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-16  9:28                   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  4:43         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 12:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 12:56             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 21:12       ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15  4:59         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15  8:50           ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 12:46               ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:18               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 13:21               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:43             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:39               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:58             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:41               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 10/10] sched: rt scheduler sets capacity requirement Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:22   ` Juri Lelli

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