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From: Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>
Subject: Re: [RFCv6 PATCH 09/10] sched: deadline: use deadline bandwidth in scale_rt_capacity
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:12:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151214221231.39b5bc4e@luca-1225C> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtAVmS6BHWcGz4cB0bpEE91QzU5sSmMWZB9j_vpK0qjwHg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:56:17 +0100
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> wrote:
[...]
> >> diff --git a/kernel/sched/sched.h b/kernel/sched/sched.h
> >> index 08858d1..e44c6be 100644
> >> --- a/kernel/sched/sched.h
> >> +++ b/kernel/sched/sched.h
> >> @@ -519,6 +519,8 @@ struct dl_rq {
> >>  #else
> >>       struct dl_bw dl_bw;
> >>  #endif
> >> +     /* This is the "average utilization" for this runqueue */
> >> +     s64 avg_bw;
> >>  };
> >
> > So I don't think this is right. AFAICT this projects the WCET as the
> > amount of time actually used by DL. This will, under many
> > circumstances, vastly overestimate the amount of time actually
> > spend on it. Therefore unduly pessimisme the fair capacity of this
> > CPU.
> 
> I agree that if the WCET is far from reality, we will underestimate
> available capacity for CFS. Have you got some use case in mind which
> overestimates the WCET ?
> If we can't rely on this parameters to evaluate the amount of capacity
> used by deadline scheduler on a core, this will imply that we can't
> also use it for requesting capacity to cpufreq and we should fallback
> on a monitoring mechanism which reacts to a change instead of
> anticipating it.
I think a more "theoretically sound" approach would be to track the
_active_ utilisation (informally speaking, the sum of the utilisations
of the tasks that are actually active on a core - the exact definition
of "active" is the trick here).
As done, for example, here:
https://github.com/lucabe72/linux-reclaiming/tree/track-utilisation-v2
(in particular, see
https://github.com/lucabe72/linux-reclaiming/commit/49fc786a1c453148625f064fa38ea538470df55b
)
I understand this approach might look too complex... But I think it is
much less pessimistic while still being "safe".
If there is something that I can do to make that code more acceptable,
let me know.


			Luca

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-14 21:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-09  6:19 [RFCv6 PATCH 00/10] sched: scheduler-driven CPU frequency selection Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 01/10] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 02/10] cpufreq: introduce cpufreq_driver_is_slow Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 03/10] sched: scheduler-driven cpu frequency selection Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:04   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  2:02     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-15 10:31       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-16  1:22         ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-16  3:48   ` Leo Yan
2015-12-17  1:24     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-17  7:17       ` Leo Yan
2015-12-18 19:15         ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-19  5:54           ` Leo Yan
2016-01-25 12:06   ` Ricky Liang
2016-01-27  1:14     ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-01 17:10   ` Ricky Liang
2016-02-11  4:44     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 04/10] sched/fair: add triggers for OPP change requests Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 05/10] sched/{core,fair}: trigger OPP change request on fork() Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 06/10] sched/fair: cpufreq_sched triggers for load balancing Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 07/10] sched/fair: jump to max OPP when crossing UP threshold Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:12   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  2:42     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 08/10] sched: remove call of sched_avg_update from sched_rt_avg_update Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 09/10] sched: deadline: use deadline bandwidth in scale_rt_capacity Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  8:50   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-10 13:27     ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-10 16:11       ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-11  7:48         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 14:02           ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 14:38             ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 15:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-14 15:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 16:07       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-14 21:19         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 16:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-14 21:31         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 13:30             ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 13:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 21:24                 ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-16  9:28                   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  4:43         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 12:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 12:56             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 21:12       ` Luca Abeni [this message]
2015-12-15  4:59         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15  8:50           ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 12:46               ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:18               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 13:21               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:43             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:39               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:58             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:41               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 10/10] sched: rt scheduler sets capacity requirement Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:22   ` Juri Lelli

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