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From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:02:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160205110232.GD29709@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1454653850.3573.2.camel@debian.org>

On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 07:30:50 CET, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On jeu., 2016-02-04 at 18:17 +0100, Arno Wagner wrote:
> > Maybe my crypto-knowledge deserts me here, but how is that
> > relevant for storage encryption? 
> > 
> > If somebody can replay old storage blocks, they have already 
> > compromised your machine and can do what they want, 
> 
> Think external drives / removable storage?

An attacker with physical access that you do not notice has 
won. Storage encryption does not protect here. Think, for 
example, "evil maid" type attacks. Storage encryption
is only for theft of the device (which you notice) or 
attacker access which you notice in other ways.

Regards,
Arno


> > 
> > And authenticated encryption seems to not even apply to storage,
> > unless you are thinking about integrity. 
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> > If so, wrong project,
> > as integrity always requires additional bits and LUKS/DM-cryopt
> > does not have them bu design.
> 
> I am well aware of the need to store the integrity patterns, that's why I'm
> asking this in context of LUKS2. Thanks for the reply though.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> Yves-Alexis
> 



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Arno Wagner,     Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform.,    Email: arno@wagner.name
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-05 11:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-03 13:13 [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 .. ink ..
2016-02-03 14:02 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-03 14:17 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-03 17:07   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-03 19:46   ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04  8:38     ` Milan Broz
2016-02-04  9:20       ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-04 10:02         ` Milan Broz
2016-02-04 11:01           ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-04 16:34         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 17:23           ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-04 18:42             ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-04 20:51               ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-05 10:56               ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:08             ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-05 15:57               ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 23:51                 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06  2:58                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06  3:18                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 10:01                       ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-06 14:29                         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 18:56                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 19:09                           ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-06 19:18                             ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-07  0:09                               ` Lars Winterfeld
2016-02-07 23:05                               ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08  0:25                                 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 11:34                                   ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-08 16:57                                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:19                                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 16:41                                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 17:26                                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 18:49                                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 19:08                                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 20:31                                     ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:51                                       ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 21:10                                         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:43                                         ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 22:04                                           ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 21:08                                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:45                                         ` f-dm-c
2016-02-06 14:20                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 19:13                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-07  7:09                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-07 23:17                         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08  0:40                           ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08  2:06                           ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08  2:46                             ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08  3:43                               ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08  4:32                                 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08  6:09                                   ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 16:51                                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:05                                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:11                                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:35                                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 17:27                                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 16:48                                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 19:49                                     ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 19:57                                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:05                                       ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04  9:35       ` Sumaya1960
2016-02-04 10:48         ` Arno Wagner
     [not found]           ` <56B4AC42.7070408@gmx.de>
2016-03-01 12:50             ` [dm-crypt] LUKS NVMe M.2 SSD - save disklayout Sumaya1960
2016-03-01 18:18               ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-03-04 22:05                 ` doark
2016-03-10 12:13                   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2016-03-14 18:23                   ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 16:29   ` [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-04 17:17     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05  6:30       ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 11:02         ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2016-02-05 13:13           ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 13:31             ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:01               ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 15:24                 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:44                   ` Milan Broz
2016-02-05 19:45                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 22:43                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 16:50                   ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 19:53                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 21:09                       ` Arno Wagner
     [not found]             ` <20160205133123.GA31320@das-labor.org>
2016-02-05 13:49               ` Zaolin
2016-02-05 15:15                 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:51   ` Milan Broz
2016-02-08 22:36     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-09  0:27       ` Milan Broz
2016-02-09  1:02     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-09 22:08     ` Lars Winterfeld
2016-02-09 23:35       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10  0:20         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10  8:37         ` Milan Broz
2016-02-10 11:47           ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 13:48           ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 14:35             ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-10 15:09               ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 15:39                 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-10 16:22                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 17:13                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 16:48                   ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-11  5:09                 ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-11  6:44                   ` Milan Broz
2016-02-14  8:20             ` Milan Broz
2016-02-14 21:32               ` Sven Eschenberg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-12 21:20 David Niklas
2016-03-16  6:36 ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-03-25 21:09   ` David Niklas

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