From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:08:31 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160208210831.GA8366@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160208203105.3CE48402ED@darkstar.media.mit.edu>
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 21:31:05 CET, f-dm-c@media.mit.edu wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:41:43 +0100
> > From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
>
> > The thing is that in a typical PC, power drops relatively
> > slowly and disks work non-seeking for a lower voltage
> > that the thresholds. Add to that that a single sector
> > write takes less than 1ms (probably much less), and
> > you get ample time to finish a write in progress.
>
> If the data has already made it all the way into the drive itself,
> that may be valid, but it's very dangerous to make such assumptions
> in general, and you can't necessarily know the timing of the power
> failure vs when the data makes it to the disk, much less the platters.
>
> http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc
>
> And new technologies may change this---not just SSDs, but modern
> high-capacity drives that must rewrite many, many sectors to write
> one. (Yes, I know this also argues that those headers should be
> far away from each other. So be it. If such scattered headers
> don't prevent resizing, I don't care. Except maybe for secure wipe.)
My argument only relates to sectors getting corrupted by
power failure, not other things. For that, the drive must
become unable to write in mid-sector.
Regards,
Arno
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2016-02-03 13:13 [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 .. ink ..
2016-02-03 14:02 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-03 14:17 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-03 17:07 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-03 19:46 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 8:38 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-04 9:20 ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-04 10:02 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-04 11:01 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-04 16:34 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 17:23 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-04 18:42 ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-04 20:51 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-05 10:56 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:08 ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-05 15:57 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 23:51 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 2:58 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 3:18 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 10:01 ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-06 14:29 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 18:56 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 19:09 ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-06 19:18 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-07 0:09 ` Lars Winterfeld
2016-02-07 23:05 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 0:25 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 11:34 ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-08 16:57 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:19 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 16:41 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 17:26 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 18:49 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 19:08 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 20:31 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:51 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 21:10 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:43 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 22:04 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 21:08 ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2016-02-08 21:45 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-06 14:20 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 19:13 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-07 7:09 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-07 23:17 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 0:40 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 2:06 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 2:46 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 3:43 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 4:32 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 6:09 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 16:51 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:05 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:11 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:35 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 17:27 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 16:48 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 19:49 ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 19:57 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:05 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 9:35 ` Sumaya1960
2016-02-04 10:48 ` Arno Wagner
[not found] ` <56B4AC42.7070408@gmx.de>
2016-03-01 12:50 ` [dm-crypt] LUKS NVMe M.2 SSD - save disklayout Sumaya1960
2016-03-01 18:18 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-03-04 22:05 ` doark
2016-03-10 12:13 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2016-03-14 18:23 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 16:29 ` [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-04 17:17 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 6:30 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 11:02 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 13:13 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 13:31 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:01 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 15:24 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:44 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-05 19:45 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 22:43 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 16:50 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 19:53 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 21:09 ` Arno Wagner
[not found] ` <20160205133123.GA31320@das-labor.org>
2016-02-05 13:49 ` Zaolin
2016-02-05 15:15 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:51 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-08 22:36 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-09 0:27 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-09 1:02 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-09 22:08 ` Lars Winterfeld
2016-02-09 23:35 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 0:20 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 8:37 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-10 11:47 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 13:48 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 14:35 ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-10 15:09 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 15:39 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-10 16:22 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 17:13 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 16:48 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-11 5:09 ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-11 6:44 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-14 8:20 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-14 21:32 ` Sven Eschenberg
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-12 21:20 David Niklas
2016-03-16 6:36 ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-03-25 21:09 ` David Niklas
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