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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Another proposal for DAX fault locking
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:09:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160210220953.GW19486@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160210103249.GD12245@quack.suse.cz>

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:32:49AM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 09-02-16 10:18:53, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I was thinking about current issues with DAX fault locking [1] (data
> > > corruption due to racing faults allocating blocks) and also races which
> > > currently don't allow us to clear dirty tags in the radix tree due to races
> > > between faults and cache flushing [2]. Both of these exist because we don't
> > > have an equivalent of page lock available for DAX. While we have a
> > > reasonable solution available for problem [1], so far I'm not aware of a
> > > decent solution for [2]. After briefly discussing the issue with Mel he had
> > > a bright idea that we could used hashed locks to deal with [2] (and I think
> > > we can solve [1] with them as well). So my proposal looks as follows:
> > >
> > > DAX will have an array of mutexes (the array can be made per device but
> > > initially a global one should be OK). We will use mutexes in the array as a
> > > replacement for page lock - we will use hashfn(mapping, index) to get
> > > particular mutex protecting our offset in the mapping. On fault / page
> > > mkwrite, we'll grab the mutex similarly to page lock and release it once we
> > > are done updating page tables. This deals with races in [1]. When flushing
> > > caches we grab the mutex before clearing writeable bit in page tables
> > > and clearing dirty bit in the radix tree and drop it after we have flushed
> > > caches for the pfn. This deals with races in [2].
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > 
> > I like the fact that this makes the locking explicit and
> > straightforward rather than something more tricky.  Can we make the
> > hashfn pfn based?  I'm thinking we could later reuse this as part of
> > the solution for eliminating the need to allocate struct page, and we
> > don't have the 'mapping' available in all paths...
> 
> So Mel originally suggested to use pfn for hashing as well. My concern with
> using pfn is that e.g. if you want to fill a hole, you don't have a pfn to
> lock. What you really need to protect is a logical offset in the file to
> serialize allocation of underlying blocks, its mapping into page tables,
> and flushing the blocks out of caches. So using inode/mapping and offset
> for the hashing is easier (it isn't obvious to me we can fix hole filling
> races with pfn-based locking).

So how does that file+offset hash work when trying to lock different
ranges?  file+offset hashing to determine the lock to use only works
if we are dealing with fixed size ranges that the locks affect.
e.g. offset has 4k granularity for a single page faults, but we also
need to handle 2MB granularity for huge page faults, and IIRC 1GB
granularity for giant page faults...

What's the plan here?

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Another proposal for DAX fault locking
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:09:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160210220953.GW19486@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160210103249.GD12245@quack.suse.cz>

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:32:49AM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 09-02-16 10:18:53, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I was thinking about current issues with DAX fault locking [1] (data
> > > corruption due to racing faults allocating blocks) and also races which
> > > currently don't allow us to clear dirty tags in the radix tree due to races
> > > between faults and cache flushing [2]. Both of these exist because we don't
> > > have an equivalent of page lock available for DAX. While we have a
> > > reasonable solution available for problem [1], so far I'm not aware of a
> > > decent solution for [2]. After briefly discussing the issue with Mel he had
> > > a bright idea that we could used hashed locks to deal with [2] (and I think
> > > we can solve [1] with them as well). So my proposal looks as follows:
> > >
> > > DAX will have an array of mutexes (the array can be made per device but
> > > initially a global one should be OK). We will use mutexes in the array as a
> > > replacement for page lock - we will use hashfn(mapping, index) to get
> > > particular mutex protecting our offset in the mapping. On fault / page
> > > mkwrite, we'll grab the mutex similarly to page lock and release it once we
> > > are done updating page tables. This deals with races in [1]. When flushing
> > > caches we grab the mutex before clearing writeable bit in page tables
> > > and clearing dirty bit in the radix tree and drop it after we have flushed
> > > caches for the pfn. This deals with races in [2].
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > 
> > I like the fact that this makes the locking explicit and
> > straightforward rather than something more tricky.  Can we make the
> > hashfn pfn based?  I'm thinking we could later reuse this as part of
> > the solution for eliminating the need to allocate struct page, and we
> > don't have the 'mapping' available in all paths...
> 
> So Mel originally suggested to use pfn for hashing as well. My concern with
> using pfn is that e.g. if you want to fill a hole, you don't have a pfn to
> lock. What you really need to protect is a logical offset in the file to
> serialize allocation of underlying blocks, its mapping into page tables,
> and flushing the blocks out of caches. So using inode/mapping and offset
> for the hashing is easier (it isn't obvious to me we can fix hole filling
> races with pfn-based locking).

So how does that file+offset hash work when trying to lock different
ranges?  file+offset hashing to determine the lock to use only works
if we are dealing with fixed size ranges that the locks affect.
e.g. offset has 4k granularity for a single page faults, but we also
need to handle 2MB granularity for huge page faults, and IIRC 1GB
granularity for giant page faults...

What's the plan here?

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-10 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-09 17:24 Another proposal for DAX fault locking Jan Kara
2016-02-09 17:24 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-09 18:18 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-09 18:18   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-10 10:32   ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 10:32     ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 20:08     ` Dan Williams
2016-02-10 20:08       ` Dan Williams
2016-02-11 10:43       ` Jan Kara
2016-02-11 10:43         ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 22:09     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2016-02-10 22:09       ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-10 22:39       ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-10 22:39         ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-10 23:34         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-10 23:34           ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-11 10:55         ` Jan Kara
2016-02-11 10:55           ` Jan Kara
2016-02-11 21:05           ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-11 21:05             ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-10 23:32       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-10 23:32         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-11 11:15         ` Jan Kara
2016-02-11 11:15           ` Jan Kara
2016-02-09 18:46 ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-09 18:46   ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-10  8:19   ` Mel Gorman
2016-02-10  8:19     ` Mel Gorman
2016-02-10 10:18     ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 10:18       ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 12:29 ` Dmitry Monakhov
2016-02-10 12:29   ` Dmitry Monakhov
2016-02-10 12:35   ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 12:35     ` Jan Kara
2016-02-10 17:38 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-10 17:38   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-11 10:38   ` Jan Kara
2016-02-11 10:38     ` Jan Kara
2016-02-14  8:51     ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-14  8:51       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-10 23:44 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-10 23:44   ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-10 23:51   ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-10 23:51     ` Cedric Blancher
2016-02-11  0:13     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-11  0:13       ` Ross Zwisler

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