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From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	Graham Whaley <graham.whaley@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Kernel docs: muddying the waters a bit
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 08:17:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160303081709.5907bcd8@lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160303143425.2361dea2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:34:25 +0000
One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> We only have docbook because it was the tool of choice rather a lot of
> years ago to then get useful output formats. It was just inherited when
> borrowed the original scripts from Gnome/Gtk. It's still the most
> effective way IMHO of building big structured documents out of the kernel.

...except that we haven't used it that way.  Instead, we make a whole
bunch of smaller, partially structured document silos.

> The Gtk people long ago rewrote the original document script into a real
> tool so they have some different and maintained tools that are close to
> equivalent and already have some markdown support. Before we go off and
> re-invent the wheel it might be worth just borrowing their wheel and
> tweaking it as needed ? In particular they can generate help indexes so
> that the entire output becomes nicely browsable with an HTML based help
> browser.

Well, not inventing the wheel was kind of the motivation behind much of
this effort; I got kind of worried watching us trying to cobble more
functionality into our existing house-of-cards documentation system.

Sphinx is a well-established, heavily used, and well supported system;
using it would not be an exercise in wheel reinvention.  As far as I can
tell, it does everything we need (with some open questions about table
support), lets us drop the whole DocBook toolchain dependency, and move to
a much better-supported setup than we have now.  Plus we get much nicer
output, index generation, cross-references between documents, and the
ability to write documents in a lightweight markup language.  Seems like a
win.

I assume you're referring to gtk-doc?  It's web page
(http://www.gtk.org/gtk-doc/) starts by noting that it's "a bit awkward to
setup and use"; they recommend looking at Doxygen instead.  So I guess I'm
not really sure what it offers that merits throwing another option into
the mix now?  What am I missing?

Thanks,

jon

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-03 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-13 21:53 Kernel docs: muddying the waters a bit Jonathan Corbet
2016-02-14  0:57 ` Keith Packard
2016-02-14 12:27   ` Daniel Vetter
2016-02-14 16:27     ` Keith Packard
2016-02-17 22:14     ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-02-17 22:29       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-02-18  9:11         ` Jani Nikula
2016-02-18  9:24           ` Daniel Vetter
2016-02-18 10:26             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-18 11:23               ` Jani Nikula
2016-02-18 12:04                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-18 12:07                   ` Hans Verkuil
2016-02-18 12:44                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-18 13:34                       ` Patrick Boettcher
2016-02-18 13:01             ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-02-18 14:39               ` Daniel Vetter
2016-02-16  8:25 ` Jani Nikula
2016-02-16 16:08   ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-02-16 17:11     ` Jani Nikula
2016-02-16 19:13   ` Keith Packard
2016-02-16 19:59     ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-02-17  0:01       ` Keith Packard
2016-03-03 14:03 ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-03 14:13   ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-03-03 14:34     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-03-03 15:17       ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]
2016-03-03 15:45         ` Daniel Vetter
2016-03-03 18:50     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-03 23:23       ` Keith Packard
2016-03-04  1:19         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-04  8:29           ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-04  8:59             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-04 12:59             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-04 14:09               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-06  2:29                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-06 23:29                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-07  8:48                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-07 12:15                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-07 12:19                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-04  7:28         ` Russel Winder
2016-03-04  7:46           ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-08  4:53             ` Russel Winder
     [not found]           ` <CAKeHnO6sSV1x2xh_HgbD5ddZ8rp+SVvbdjVhczhudc9iv_-UCQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-08  9:49             ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-08 11:29               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]                 ` <CAKeHnO7R25knFH07+3trdi0ZotsrEE+5ZzDZXdx33+DUW=q2Ug@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-08 13:39                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-08 15:39                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-09 21:27                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-10 10:25                         ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-10 15:21                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-13 15:33                             ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-08 15:12                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-12  9:18                                 ` Hans Verkuil
2016-04-12 15:46                                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-04-18  9:49                                   ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-27 14:28                                   ` Grant Likely
2016-05-03 14:31                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-03 15:54                                       ` Keith Packard
2016-05-04  9:34                                       ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-04  9:58                                         ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 12:40                                           ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-04 13:41                                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 15:09                                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-04 13:43                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 14:18                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 14:57                                                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-04 15:02                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 16:32                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 15:44                                                   ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 16:38                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-04 15:55                                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-04 16:13                                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 16:50                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-04 16:59                                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-04 17:57                                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-05 13:02                                                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-05 13:23                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-06 11:23                                                   ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 11:44                                                     ` Markus Heiser
     [not found]                                                     ` <20160506083529.31ad2fa0@recife.lan>
     [not found]                                                       ` <BAE3C147-6C21-4242-BD3C-8989C1626E10@darmarit.de>
     [not found]                                                         ` <20160506104210.12197832@recife.lan>
2016-05-06 14:27                                                           ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 14:27                                                             ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 15:06                                                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-06 15:23                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-06 15:35                                                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 15:52                                                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-06 15:14                                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-04 16:15                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-06 10:05                                           ` Markus Heiser
     [not found]                                             ` <20160506080304.56307066@recife.lan>
2016-05-06 16:26                                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 17:06                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]                                 ` <20160412105850.50e02108@recife.lan>
2016-04-18  8:10                                   ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-18 11:16                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]               ` <CAKeHnO7_7k8Qc5Jmu_x2OzAVT4YXxW8PSe_m6QUP-8V7XxbTVw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-08 13:30                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-08 13:58                 ` Jani Nikula
     [not found]                   ` <CAKeHnO7e5Escm0Ndm50eFX-qUXf7Lg9n=iXvwUGjz2M4KHLMsQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-09  8:57                     ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-07  3:48   ` Jonathan Corbet

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