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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.com>
Subject: Re: sched: horrible way to detect whether a task has been preempted
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:38:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160411083846.GL5218@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160408143131.46ysnwy6c7i6uxmb@treble.redhat.com>

On Fri 2016-04-08 09:31:31, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 10:03:04AM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > The big advantage about checking the stack is that it does not add
> > any overhead to the scheduler code, does not eat any TIF flag or
> > memory. The overhead is only when we are migrating a task and it is
> > charged to a separate process.
> 
> My biggest concern about checking the stack for preempt_schedule_irq()
> is that it's kind of brittle:
> 
> - What if the preemption code changes such that it's no longer a
>   reliable indicator?  For example, what if preempt_schedule_irq() is
>   only called in some places, and a new __preempt_schedule_irq() is
>   called elsewhere?
> 
> - Or due to some obscure gcc optimization like partial inlining or
>   sibling tail calls, preempt_schedule_irq() doesn't show up on the
>   stack?  
> 
> - Or the code could silently break if there were another static
>   preempt_schedule_irq symbol somewhere (though we could prevent this by
>   searching all symbols to ensure there are no duplicates).
> 
> These scenarios are unlikely, but they could conceivably happen...

You are right.

> Anyway, we really wouldn't have to eat a TIF flag.  We could instead add
> something to task_struct.  I can at least propose it.  If anybody
> doesn't like it, maybe they'll suggest something else, or maybe then we
> can go with checking the stack.

Yup, we should give the extra task struct stuff a try. Another
advantage is that it would be easier to port for another
architectures.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-11  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-25 19:34 [RFC PATCH v1.9 00/14] livepatch: hybrid consistency model Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 01/14] x86/asm/head: cleanup initial stack variable Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 02/14] x86/asm/head: use a common function for starting CPUs Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 03/14] x86/asm/head: standardize the bottom of the stack for idle tasks Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 04/14] x86: move _stext marker before head code Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 05/14] sched: horrible way to detect whether a task has been preempted Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-06 13:06   ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-06 16:33     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-07  9:47       ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-07 14:34         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-08  8:07           ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-08 14:34             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-07 21:15   ` Jessica Yu
2016-04-07 21:37     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-04-07 22:35       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-07 22:53         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-04-07 23:15       ` Jessica Yu
2016-04-08  7:05         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-04-08  8:03           ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-08 14:31             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-11  8:38               ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 06/14] x86: add error handling to dump_trace() Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 07/14] x86/stacktrace: add function for detecting reliable stack traces Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-31 13:03   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-04 17:54     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-11 14:16       ` Jiri Slaby
2016-04-12 15:56         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-09  8:31           ` Jiri Slaby
2016-06-13 21:58             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-12-01 20:28               ` Jiri Slaby
2016-12-01 20:59                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-01-17 13:08                   ` Jiri Slaby
2016-04-04 15:55   ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-04 17:58     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-07 11:55   ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-07 14:46     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-08  8:24       ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-11  3:29   ` Jessica Yu
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 08/14] livepatch: separate enabled and patched states Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-11  3:31   ` Jessica Yu
2016-04-12 14:44   ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 08/14] " Chris J Arges
2016-04-12 17:16     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-12 17:35       ` Chris J Arges
2016-04-12 18:25         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 09/14] livepatch: remove unnecessary object loaded check Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 10/14] livepatch: move patching functions into patch.c Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 11/14] livepatch: store function sizes Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:34 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 12/14] livepatch: create per-task consistency model Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-31 13:12   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-04 18:21     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-04 18:27       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2016-04-04 18:33         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-05 11:36           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2016-04-05 13:53             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-05 17:32   ` Minfei Huang
2016-04-05 21:17     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-14  9:25   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-14 16:39     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-15  9:17       ` Miroslav Benes
2016-03-25 19:35 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 13/14] livepatch: add /proc/<pid>/patch_status Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-31  9:33   ` Jiri Slaby
2016-03-31  9:40     ` Jiri Slaby
2016-04-04 16:56     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-25 19:35 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 14/14] livepatch: update task universe when exiting kernel Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-14  8:47   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-14  8:50     ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-14 13:39       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-18 15:01         ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] s390/klp: s390 support Miroslav Benes
2016-04-18 15:01           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] s390: livepatch, reorganize TIF bits Miroslav Benes
2016-04-18 15:01           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] s390/klp: update task universe when exiting kernel Miroslav Benes
2016-04-18 15:17           ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] s390/klp: s390 support Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-14 13:23     ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 14/14] livepatch: update task universe when exiting kernel Josh Poimboeuf
2016-03-31 12:54 ` [RFC PATCH v1.9 00/14] livepatch: hybrid consistency model Miroslav Benes
2016-04-04 17:03   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-05 14:24     ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-05 14:34       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-05 14:53         ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-01 13:34 ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-01 13:39 ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-01 15:38   ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-05 13:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-06  8:15     ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-28 18:53     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-09 14:20       ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-07 12:10 ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-07 15:08   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-07 15:47     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-04-07 18:03       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-07 18:33         ` Jiri Kosina

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