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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dennis Dalessandro
	<dennis.dalessandro-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:05:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160414180540.GA12554@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160414174830.GA11641-no5AT4YuGWKtqXYlAKuG4QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 01:48:31PM -0400, Ira Weiny wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:45:50AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 08:41:35AM -0700, Dennis Dalessandro wrote:
> > > This patch series removes the write() interface for user access in favor of an
> > > ioctl() based approach. This is in response to the complaint that we had
> > > different handlers for write() and writev() doing different things and expecting
> > > different types of data. See:
> > 
> > I think we should wait on applying these patches until we globally sort out
> > what to do with the rdma uapi.
> > 
> > It just doesn't make alot of sense for drivers to have their own personal
> > char devices. :(
> 
> I'm afraid I have to disagree at this time.  Someday we may have "1 char device
> to rule them all" but right now we don't have any line of sight to that
> solution.  It may be _years_ before we can agree to the semantics which will
> work for all high speed, kernel bypass, rdma, low latency, network devices.

There are some pretty obvious paths to make this saner that could only
be a few weeks away, we haven't even had the first conversations
yet. I think you are completely wrong there is no 'line of sight'

It certainly can't be years.

There is some rational for a very driver specific thing, but EEPROM
and snoop? Seriously?

Jason
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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
Cc: Dennis Dalessandro <dennis.dalessandro@intel.com>,
	dledford@redhat.com, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:05:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160414180540.GA12554@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160414174830.GA11641@rhel.sc.intel.com>

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 01:48:31PM -0400, Ira Weiny wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:45:50AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 08:41:35AM -0700, Dennis Dalessandro wrote:
> > > This patch series removes the write() interface for user access in favor of an
> > > ioctl() based approach. This is in response to the complaint that we had
> > > different handlers for write() and writev() doing different things and expecting
> > > different types of data. See:
> > 
> > I think we should wait on applying these patches until we globally sort out
> > what to do with the rdma uapi.
> > 
> > It just doesn't make alot of sense for drivers to have their own personal
> > char devices. :(
> 
> I'm afraid I have to disagree at this time.  Someday we may have "1 char device
> to rule them all" but right now we don't have any line of sight to that
> solution.  It may be _years_ before we can agree to the semantics which will
> work for all high speed, kernel bypass, rdma, low latency, network devices.

There are some pretty obvious paths to make this saner that could only
be a few weeks away, we haven't even had the first conversations
yet. I think you are completely wrong there is no 'line of sight'

It certainly can't be years.

There is some rational for a very driver specific thing, but EEPROM
and snoop? Seriously?

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-14 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-14 15:41 [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found] ` <20160414153727.6387.96381.stgit-9QXIwq+3FY+1XWohqUldA0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 15:41   ` [PATCH 1/7] IB/hfi1: Export drivers user sw version via sysfs Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:41     ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-18 13:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 2/7] IB/hfi1: Remove unused user command Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-18 13:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 3/7] IB/hfi1: Add ioctl() interface for user commands Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write(), use ioctl() for user cmds Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:42 ` [PATCH 5/7] IB/hfi1: Add trace message in user IOCTL handling Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:42 ` [PATCH 6/7] IB/hfi1: Consolidate IOCTL defines Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:42 ` [PATCH 7/7] IB/hfi1: Move eprom to its own device Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 16:45 ` [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-14 17:48   ` Ira Weiny
     [not found]     ` <20160414174830.GA11641-no5AT4YuGWKtqXYlAKuG4QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2016-04-14 18:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160414180540.GA12554-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:42           ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 18:42             ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]             ` <20160414184200.GA10416-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:56               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-14 18:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20160414185659.GB12997-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 20:01                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB041C34-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 20:35                       ` Woodruff, Robert J
2016-04-14 21:27                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20160414212702.GA14137-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15  0:02                           ` Ira Weiny
     [not found]                             ` <20160415000242.GA18400-no5AT4YuGWKtqXYlAKuG4QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15  0:30                               ` Hefty, Sean
2016-04-15  4:41                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20160415044124.GA16805-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 17:30                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0422AE-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 18:18                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20160415181811.GA22322-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 21:04                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB042530-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 21:14                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 22:03                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160415220340.GB24204-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-16 16:22                                                   ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-18 17:55                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                       ` <20160418175559.GC13865-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 18:15                                                         ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]                                                           ` <20160418181535.GB7596-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 18:24                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                               ` <20160418182453.GA14930-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19  1:36                                                                 ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20160419013649.GA28612-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 17:35                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-14 21:08                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB041C90-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 21:40                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-15  4:01     ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 16:17       ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-15 17:30         ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 17:30           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 17:34           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-15 17:44             ` Woodruff, Robert J
2016-04-15 21:03               ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]             ` <20160415173401.GA10868-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 17:46               ` Hefty, Sean
2016-04-15 17:46                 ` Hefty, Sean
2016-04-15 21:23             ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]               ` <20160415212328.GF10689-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 23:28                 ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-15 23:28                   ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-16  6:09                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                     ` <20160416060940.GB6349-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-16 15:29                       ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-16 15:29                         ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-15 23:37               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-16  6:00                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-16 19:19                   ` Al Viro
     [not found]                     ` <20160416191917.GY25498-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 12:00                       ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-18 12:00                         ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 17:52   ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]     ` <20160414175243.GA9310-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-14 18:46         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-20 20:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-20 20:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160420203616.GA28991-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-22 18:38           ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-22 18:38             ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]             ` <20160422183844.GB21996-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 15:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-26 15:23                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]   ` <20160414164550.GC6247-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 13:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-18 13:09       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <20160418130909.GD11508-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 17:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-18 17:40           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <20160418174047.GB13865-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 18:24             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-18 18:24               ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-19  3:45               ` Ira Weiny
     [not found]                 ` <20160419034548.GG27515-MvMViLc3Pe+yjJhlop0iC9h3ngVCH38I@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 18:40                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-19 18:40                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]               ` <20160418182411.GA4904-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 17:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-19 17:38                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20160419173817.GF20844-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 20:44                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                       ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0439B0-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 21:38                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-20 20:46                         ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                           ` <5717EAC1.6020602-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 13:05                             ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                               ` <571F6795.8020808-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 15:21                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-27  5:21                                 ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                   ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E22EC6A98-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 14:45                                     ` Doug Ledford

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