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From: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>
To: Mike Galbraith <mgalbraith@suse.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sched: tweak select_idle_sibling to look for idle threads
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 09:13:11 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160509011311.GQ16093@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1462779853.3803.128.camel@suse.de>

On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 09:44:13AM +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > Then a valid question is whether it is this selection screwed up in case
> > like this, as it should necessarily always be asked.
> 
> That's a given, it's just a question of how to do a bit better cheaply.
>  
> > > > Regarding wake_wide(), it seems the M:N is 1:24, not 6:6*24, if so,
> > > > the slave will be 0 forever (as last_wakee is never flipped).
> > > 
> > > Yeah, it's irrelevant here, this load is all about instantaneous state.
> > >  I could use a bit more of that, reserving on the wakeup side won't
> > > help this benchmark until everything else cares.  One stack, and it's
> > > game over.  It could help generic utilization and latency some.. but it
> > > seems kinda unlikely it'll be worth the cycle expenditure.
> > 
> > Yes and no, it depends on how efficient work-stealing is, compared to
> > selection, but remember, at the end of the day, the wakee CPU measures the
> > latency, that CPU does not care it is selected or it steals.
> 
> In a perfect world, running only Chris' benchmark on an otherwise idle
> box, there would never _be_ any work to steal. 

What is the perfect world like? I don't get what you mean.

> In the real world, we
> smooth utilization, optimistically peek at this/that, and intentionally
> throttle idle balancing (etc etc), which adds up to an imperfect world
> for this (based on real world load) benchmark.
 
So, is this a shout-out: these parts should be coordinated better?

> > En... should we try remove recording last_wakee?
> 
> The more the merrier, go for it! :)
 
Nuh, really, this heuristic is too heuristic, :) 
The totality of all possible cases is scary.

Just for a general M:N two-way waker-wakee relationship, not recording
last_wakee may work well generally. E.g., currently, on a 2-socket (24-thread
per socket) 1:24 and 1:48 can't really be differentiated, whereas 1:24 and
2:48 are completely different.

Am I understanding correctly?

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-09  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-05 18:08 [PATCH RFC] select_idle_sibling experiments Chris Mason
2016-04-05 18:43 ` Bastien Bastien Philbert
2016-04-05 19:28   ` Chris Mason
2016-04-05 20:03 ` Matt Fleming
2016-04-05 21:05   ` Bastien Philbert
2016-04-06  0:44   ` Chris Mason
2016-04-06  7:27 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-06 13:36   ` Chris Mason
2016-04-09 17:30   ` Chris Mason
2016-04-12 21:45     ` Matt Fleming
2016-04-13  3:40       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-13 15:54         ` Chris Mason
2016-04-28 12:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-28 13:17     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-02  5:35     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-07 15:17 ` Chris Mason
2016-04-09 19:05 ` sched: tweak select_idle_sibling to look for idle threads Chris Mason
2016-04-10 10:04   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-10 12:35     ` Chris Mason
2016-04-10 12:46       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-10 19:55     ` Chris Mason
2016-04-11  4:54       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-12  0:30         ` Chris Mason
2016-04-12  4:44           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-12 13:27             ` Chris Mason
2016-04-12 18:16               ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-12 20:07                 ` Chris Mason
2016-04-13  3:18                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-13 13:44                     ` Chris Mason
2016-04-13 14:22                       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-13 14:36                         ` Chris Mason
2016-04-13 15:05                           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-13 15:34                             ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-30 12:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-01  7:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-01  8:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-01  9:20         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-07  1:24           ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-08  8:08             ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-08 18:57               ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-09  3:45                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-08 20:22                   ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-09  7:44                     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-09  1:13                       ` Yuyang Du [this message]
2016-05-09  9:39                         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-09 23:26                           ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-10  7:49                             ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-10 15:26                               ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-10 19:16                                 ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-11  4:17                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-11  1:23                                     ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-11  9:56                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-18  6:41                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-09  3:52                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-08 20:31                   ` Yuyang Du
2016-05-02  8:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-02 14:50         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-02 14:58           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-02 15:47             ` Chris Mason
2016-05-03 14:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-03 15:11                 ` Chris Mason
2016-05-04 10:37                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-04 15:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-05 22:03                     ` Matt Fleming
2016-05-06 18:54                       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-09  8:33                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-09  8:56                           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-04 15:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-04 17:46                     ` Chris Mason
2016-05-05  9:33                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-05 13:58                         ` Chris Mason
2016-05-06  7:12                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-06 17:27                             ` Chris Mason
2016-05-06  7:25                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-02 17:30             ` Mike Galbraith
2016-05-02 15:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-02 16:04             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-05-03 11:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-03 18:22                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-02 15:10           ` Peter Zijlstra

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