From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Vijay Kilari <vijay.kilari@gmail.com>,
Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
Vijaya Kumar K <vijayak@caviumnetworks.com>,
suresh knv <knv.suresh2009@gmail.com>,
Vijaya Kumar K <Vijaya.Kumar@caviumnetworks.com>,
Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@arm.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Prasun Kapoor <Prasun.Kapoor@caviumnetworks.com>,
qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
Suresh <ksuresh@caviumnetworks.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] utils: Add cpuinfo helper to fetch /proc/cpuinfo
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 13:44:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160509134410.GA2504@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_Kp+_aoe19PBJXDdn7HHX3ZCYbzaY5vsbYEwdyRwxdaA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 12:21:08PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 9 May 2016 at 11:59, Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com> wrote:
> > Well, we have been waiting for a use case, like this, before we merge
> > the series.
>
> This isn't a great strategy for moving people away from things
> you'd like them to avoid like parsing /proc/cpuinfo, because typically
> userspace app writers are not very interested in coding to facilities
> which don't exist yet, and will prefer to make do with what's actually
> present in the kernel today... You need to provide the improved API,
> and then it needs to get out into kernel versions in distros and
> otherwise, and only then are you likely to get app developers who
> will start to say "this is useful".
The problem is that the way kernel people think the API may be improved
does not always match the use-cases required by app writers. One example
here is exposing MIDR via MRS emulation, we know there are problems with
big.LITTLE and the only clear answer I got so far is that we ignore such
configurations. We don't even have a way to tell user space that this is
a heterogeneous CPU configuration, unless we add another HWCAP bit
specifically for this (or the opposite: HWCAP_HOMOGENEOUS_CPUS).
That said, I'm perfectly fine with exposing:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu$ID/identification/
\- midr
\- revidr
I had the wrong impression that we already merged this part but Suzuki
just pointed out to me that it's not.
I think our 4.7-rc1 tree is pretty much frozen to new features now,
though the sysfs patch is relatively small (I'll let Will comment):
https://patches.linaro.org/patch/54502/
The MRS emulation, we should restart the discussion around big.LITTLE
implications and make a decision one way or another by the 4.8 merging
window.
--
Catalin
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
Vijay Kilari <vijay.kilari@gmail.com>,
Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@arm.com>,
Vijaya Kumar K <vijayak@caviumnetworks.com>,
qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Prasun Kapoor <Prasun.Kapoor@caviumnetworks.com>,
suresh knv <knv.suresh2009@gmail.com>,
Vijaya Kumar K <Vijaya.Kumar@caviumnetworks.com>,
Suresh <ksuresh@caviumnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] utils: Add cpuinfo helper to fetch /proc/cpuinfo
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 13:44:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160509134410.GA2504@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_Kp+_aoe19PBJXDdn7HHX3ZCYbzaY5vsbYEwdyRwxdaA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 12:21:08PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 9 May 2016 at 11:59, Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com> wrote:
> > Well, we have been waiting for a use case, like this, before we merge
> > the series.
>
> This isn't a great strategy for moving people away from things
> you'd like them to avoid like parsing /proc/cpuinfo, because typically
> userspace app writers are not very interested in coding to facilities
> which don't exist yet, and will prefer to make do with what's actually
> present in the kernel today... You need to provide the improved API,
> and then it needs to get out into kernel versions in distros and
> otherwise, and only then are you likely to get app developers who
> will start to say "this is useful".
The problem is that the way kernel people think the API may be improved
does not always match the use-cases required by app writers. One example
here is exposing MIDR via MRS emulation, we know there are problems with
big.LITTLE and the only clear answer I got so far is that we ignore such
configurations. We don't even have a way to tell user space that this is
a heterogeneous CPU configuration, unless we add another HWCAP bit
specifically for this (or the opposite: HWCAP_HOMOGENEOUS_CPUS).
That said, I'm perfectly fine with exposing:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu$ID/identification/
\- midr
\- revidr
I had the wrong impression that we already merged this part but Suzuki
just pointed out to me that it's not.
I think our 4.7-rc1 tree is pretty much frozen to new features now,
though the sysfs patch is relatively small (I'll let Will comment):
https://patches.linaro.org/patch/54502/
The MRS emulation, we should restart the discussion around big.LITTLE
implications and make a decision one way or another by the 4.8 merging
window.
--
Catalin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-09 13:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-07 9:58 [Qemu-arm] [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] ARM64: Live migration optimization vijayak
2016-04-07 9:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " vijayak
2016-04-07 9:58 ` [Qemu-arm] [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] target-arm: Use Neon for zero checking vijayak
2016-04-07 9:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " vijayak
2016-04-07 10:30 ` [Qemu-arm] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-07 10:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-07 10:44 ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 10:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 10:44 ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 10:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-09 22:45 ` [Qemu-arm] " Richard Henderson
2016-04-09 22:45 ` Richard Henderson
2016-04-11 10:40 ` Peter Maydell
2016-04-11 10:40 ` Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 9:58 ` [Qemu-arm] [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] utils: Add cpuinfo helper to fetch /proc/cpuinfo vijayak
2016-04-07 9:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " vijayak
2016-04-07 10:11 ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 10:11 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 10:56 ` [Qemu-arm] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-07 10:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-07 11:45 ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-07 11:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-08 6:21 ` [Qemu-arm] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-08 6:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-08 9:43 ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-08 9:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2016-04-11 6:52 ` [Qemu-arm] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-11 6:52 ` [Qemu-devel] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-11 9:37 ` [Qemu-arm] " Suzuki K Poulose
2016-04-11 9:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Suzuki K Poulose
2016-04-13 9:54 ` [Qemu-arm] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-13 9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Vijay Kilari
2016-04-13 9:59 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2016-04-13 9:59 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2016-05-09 3:30 ` [Qemu-arm] " Vijay Kilari
2016-05-09 3:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Vijay Kilari
2016-05-09 10:59 ` [Qemu-arm] " Suzuki K Poulose
2016-05-09 10:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Suzuki K Poulose
2016-05-09 11:21 ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2016-05-09 11:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2016-05-09 13:44 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2016-05-09 13:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-10 10:24 ` Will Deacon
2016-05-10 10:24 ` Will Deacon
2016-05-10 13:06 ` [Qemu-arm] " Catalin Marinas
2016-05-10 13:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Catalin Marinas
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