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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 13/13] mm, compaction: fix and improve watermark handling
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:40:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160518144052.GH2527@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160518142753.GJ21654@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 04:27:53PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > - __compaction_suitable() then checks the low watermark plus a (2 << order) gap
> > > >   to decide if there's enough free memory to perform compaction. This check
> > > 
> > > And this was a real head scratcher when I started looking into the
> > > compaction recently. Why do we need to be above low watermark to even
> > > start compaction. Compaction uses additional memory only for a short
> > > period of time and then releases the already migrated pages.
> > > 
> > 
> > Simply minimising the risk that compaction would deplete the entire
> > zone. Sure, it hands pages back shortly afterwards. At the time of the
> > initial prototype, page migration was severely broken and the system was
> > constantly crashing. The cautious checks were left in place after page
> > migration was fixed as there wasn't a compelling reason to remove them
> > at the time.
> 
> OK, then moving to min_wmark + bias from low_wmark should work, right?

Yes. I did recall there was another reason but it's marginal. I didn't
want compaction isolation free pages to artifically push a process into
direct reclaim but given that we are likely under memory pressure at
that time anyway, it's unlikely that compaction is the sole reason
processes are entering direct reclaim.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 13/13] mm, compaction: fix and improve watermark handling
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:40:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160518144052.GH2527@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160518142753.GJ21654@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 04:27:53PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > - __compaction_suitable() then checks the low watermark plus a (2 << order) gap
> > > >   to decide if there's enough free memory to perform compaction. This check
> > > 
> > > And this was a real head scratcher when I started looking into the
> > > compaction recently. Why do we need to be above low watermark to even
> > > start compaction. Compaction uses additional memory only for a short
> > > period of time and then releases the already migrated pages.
> > > 
> > 
> > Simply minimising the risk that compaction would deplete the entire
> > zone. Sure, it hands pages back shortly afterwards. At the time of the
> > initial prototype, page migration was severely broken and the system was
> > constantly crashing. The cautious checks were left in place after page
> > migration was fixed as there wasn't a compelling reason to remove them
> > at the time.
> 
> OK, then moving to min_wmark + bias from low_wmark should work, right?

Yes. I did recall there was another reason but it's marginal. I didn't
want compaction isolation free pages to artifically push a process into
direct reclaim but given that we are likely under memory pressure at
that time anyway, it's unlikely that compaction is the sole reason
processes are entering direct reclaim.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-18 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-10  7:35 [RFC 00/13] make direct compaction more deterministic Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 01/13] mm, compaction: don't isolate PageWriteback pages in MIGRATE_SYNC_LIGHT mode Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-11 12:40   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-11 12:40     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 02/13] mm, page_alloc: set alloc_flags only once in slowpath Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10 11:28   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-05-10 11:28     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-05-10 12:30     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10 12:30       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-12 12:41       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-12 12:41         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-31  6:20       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-31  6:20         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-31  7:59         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31  7:59           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-06-02  1:50           ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-06-02  1:50             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 03/13] mm, page_alloc: don't retry initial attempt " Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-12 12:48   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-12 12:48     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-31  6:25   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-31  6:25     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-31 12:03     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31 12:03       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 04/13] mm, page_alloc: restructure direct compaction handling " Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-12 13:29   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-12 13:29     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  8:10     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13  8:10       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13  8:31       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  8:31         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 05/13] mm, page_alloc: make THP-specific decisions more generic Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-12 13:43   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-12 13:43     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 06/13] mm, thp: remove __GFP_NORETRY from khugepaged and madvised allocations Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-12 16:20   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-12 16:20     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  8:23     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13  8:23       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13 12:05       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:05         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 11:59         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-18 11:59           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-18 15:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 15:24             ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-20 13:57             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-20 13:57               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-23  8:39               ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-23  8:39                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 07/13] mm, compaction: introduce direct compaction priority Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13 12:37   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:37     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 08/13] mm, compaction: simplify contended compaction handling Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13 13:09   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 13:09     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  7:10     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  7:10       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35 ` [RFC 09/13] mm, compaction: make whole_zone flag ignore cached scanner positions Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13 13:23   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 13:23     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  7:36 ` [RFC 10/13] mm, compaction: cleanup unused functions Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:36 ` [RFC 11/13] mm, compaction: add the ultimate direct compaction priority Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13 13:38   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 13:38     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  7:17     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  7:17       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  8:11       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  8:11         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 12:46       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-18 12:46         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:36 ` [RFC 12/13] mm, compaction: more reliably increase " Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10 12:55   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10 12:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-13 14:15   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:15     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  7:31     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  7:31       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  8:14       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  8:14         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  9:27         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  9:27           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  9:52           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  9:52             ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-31  6:37   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-31  6:37     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-31 12:07     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31 12:07       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31 12:29       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31 12:29         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-06-02  2:50         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-06-02  2:50           ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-10  7:36 ` [RFC 13/13] mm, compaction: fix and improve watermark handling Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  7:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  9:25     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16  9:50     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16  9:50       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-16 12:30       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-16 12:30         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 13:50     ` Mel Gorman
2016-05-18 13:50       ` Mel Gorman
2016-05-18 14:27       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 14:27         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 14:40         ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2016-05-18 14:40           ` Mel Gorman
2016-05-17 20:01 ` [RFC 00/13] make direct compaction more deterministic Michal Hocko
2016-05-17 20:01   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18  7:19   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-18  7:19     ` Vlastimil Babka

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